United for AylaEvidence Collection Possibilities
This post was something Mountain Mama has been reading about over the past few weeks now, but I felt that this post explains alot of the evidence collection process that supports the theory explained in Poll Question #11. Thank you MM for this supporting post of my theory.
I wanted to look at what types of evidence law enforcement may have found if John’s theory is correct. In my opinion, LE knew from the beginning that this missing toddler report could in fact be something totally different than what they were being told. This is a small section from a manual for crime scene investigators.
“Which leads me to another key point about observing the scene: it’s not enough to just gather the evidence from the scene; you have to evaluate what that evidence is telling you. Making that evaluation can be trickier than it seems. First of all, the case begins when you receive a call that a murder or a burglary or some other kind of crime has occurred. But when you get to the scene, you have to keep an open mind to other possibilities. You can’t just rush in with a preconceived idea or you’ll only find what you expect to find. Sometimes problems occur because the scene has been altered. The scene may appear “normal” or appropriate for the crime that was supposed to have occurred, but the scene has actually been orchestrated to look that way to hide a different crime.“
If Justin cleaned up the blood evidence he had to take it somewhere. He probably would’ve tried to put everything with blood on it in some type of leak proof container before taking it upstairs. Did any of it get on his shoes, clothes, hands or hair? I would think Justin was in a hurry but even if he was very careful, at least a small amount would’ve gotten on him somewhere. If so, what are the chances Justin could’ve walked up the stairway and opened and closed the door, with one hand holding the container, and not even a tiny smear of blood was transferred on the steps, rails, walls, doors or doorknobs? If Derek, or someone else, helped Justin clean it up then it doubles the possibility that blood was transferred in some way.
“Transfer blood splatter is when blood is moved from one area to another and is demonstrated when someone steps in a pool of blood and then travels to a different location. Most times, transfer blood stains can leave an imprint of what object caused the transfer like an outline of a shoe print or a hand print.”
Remember when Heidi stated that she saw 4 tiny, pin sized spots of blood that were circled? I wonder how many circled spots of blood Heidi saw. For instance, did she see this circled spot being swabbed on the door? When you zoom in you can see a spot of something red on the swab, an X that appears to have been writen on the door above the investigators heads and the forensic investigators are gloved, gowned and shoed. Now does anyone else have an opinion of what the red spot is on the swab in the investigators hand?
I am adding two more pics provided to me by Emerald. The doorframe behind the evidence tech has what appears to be a couple more circles and a square on the doorframe itself. Not on the door.
Thursday, Dec. 22 - Crime-scene tape goes up
Six days into the search, investigators put crime-scene tape around DiPietro’s house and intensify the search for clues. Two of the state’s top homicide prosecutors visited the house and cadaver dogs joined the search.
Besides the towels or rags that were used in the clean-up, what else besides Ayla would need to be removed from the house? Anything that got blood evidence on it when Ayla was harmed, this could be furniture, bed linens, clothing, shoes, toys etc. The clothing, shoes, and gloves (if used) of everyone who helped in the clean-up. If any cleaners such as bleach, pine-sol were used the containers would have DNA evidence on them from Ayla’s blood and whoever handled the containers. Were all these things stored temporarily in the garage and shed as John suspects? Law enforcement, with cadaver dogs focused on the house, shed and garage. They also checked the dumpsters at the Comfort Inn and the Champion Fitness Club.
“UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: State police are still calling this the family`s home, the focal point of the investigation, as K-9 units search inside the home and also inside the garage.”
“MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, Nancy, I believe that the dogs are gravitating from the garage outward, and that, indeed, may be what led them to the dumpster.”
“Four truck drivers inspected all trash receptacles owned by the company — nearly 600 in all — on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. Their inspections included ripping open every trash bag for a close look at the contents.” “We searched every can that we dumped, and every load that has gone to the landfill has been searched as well,” he said.
While I agree that some of the evidence was thrown in the water, I think some was thrown in the dumpsters as well. When we think about it, there was a lot to dispose of. Now Justin has to get the evidence from the home, garage and shed to the water and the dumpsters. LE had a reason for seizing those vehicles and in my opinion they were looking for forensic evidence on the inside and outside of the SUV and the car. If Justin had nothing to hide why didn’t he voluntarily turn over his SUV to law enforcement like Phoebe did with the house? Both vehicles look thoroughly cleaned in the first photos we’ve seen. While it isn’t a crime to have a clean car, I have to wonder if Justin always keeps his SUV in such shining, polished condition even going so far as cleaning the tread on his tires? It makes me wonder if Justin thought to clean out the soil and seeds that get lodged inside the tire rims and the under carriage of the SUV. Did Justin leave anything from the soles of his shoes on the accelerator or brake pedals? Justin may have tried to remove any fiber or DNA evidence but if a deceased body was in there, he can’t remove the cadaver scent.
WATERVILLE — A sport utility vehicle belonging to Ayla Reynolds’ father and another car were seized by police Monday at the Violette Avenue home of missing 20-month-old Ayla Reynolds as the investigation into her disappearance entered its third day.
This is just my opinion but I think when McCausland said they had 100s of pieces of evidence, that some of that evidence came from the house, garage, shed, SUV, dumpsters, and Messalonskee stream. Otherwise why didn’t Massey just say the search effort hasn’t produced any signs of Ayla when he was questioned by reporters on 12/23/2011?
Massey said police have followed up on more than 160 leads. He said Dumpsters, ballparks and nearby woods have been searched. Messalonskee stream was also lowered so game wardens could do a flyover of the body of water. Massey would not reveal if the search effort has produced any signs of Ayla.
All any of us can do is make speculations because law enforcement is keeping the affidavits sealed, including the transcripts of the 911 calls. I think none of us will know what really happened until Ayla’s case goes to trial. I am confident that law enforcement knows what they are doing and Ayla Bell Reynolds will have justice! Statements from this article justify my belief.
Massey said areas have been searched and searched again to make sure no piece of evidence is overlooked. He said Col. Joel Wilkinson of the Maine Warden Service will continue to make his personnel available as necessary to execute future searches.
However, Rumsey declined to share that information. Rumsey also wouldn’t say whether there was another child in the same room with Ayla that night — as has been reported in the national media — or if there was forensic evidence, such as blood, found inside the house.
Authorities are not making court affidavits filed in the case public, including those for permission to search the house, garage and two vehicles seized by police from the Violette Avenue driveway.
“We’re very cautious in this case; we don’t put investigative details out there that could compromise a portion of this investigation,” Rumsey said. “That is our main concern. And when it comes to releasing those details to the press, we’re going to err on the side of caution.
Rumsey said he also is confident that Waterville detectives, game wardens, search-and-rescue volunteers and the FBI have done the best job possible.
“We’ve done everything right,” he said.
Though I think Fox News mixed up some pictures, I am posting this picture to allow for discussion purposes. I can not state that this is a picture of the inside of Phoebes house.
This ia a link to a floor diagram by Emerald. Though it is not to scale, it is to the best possible extent based on what is now know about the house.
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/825/floorall.png
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Mama, looking at the picture of the shed, it looks to be around 6X8 as you mentioned, but look at all the holes in the eaves and around the door frame. There was a commenter a few days ago that said LE was seen removing a lock from the shed. If so, there had to be something large in there that no-one wanted stolen because anything smaller than say a loaf of bread could fit through those gaping holes.
John if someone wanted to steal something from the shed, regardless of the size of that something, the person would have to get inside the shed to get it. With the lock on there they would have to break out glass or squeeze through one of those gaps you’re referring to. I couldn’t find any articles that talked about a warrant for the shed or pictures of them searching it. I wish those people who witnessed it could tell us more.
Maybe they have tools in the shed? Tools are kind of expensive. There could have been some other lawn care stuff in there…
The shed also looks like it is read to collapse.
Anyway, I know that this may not be important to some of you, but it is to me. In my class discussion this week…we were discussing the presentence report. My instructor asked if the presentence report should be open to the public? This report contains: the address, telephone number, current medical history, current employer, education, relatives and a few other things about the criminal. I don’t think that the presentece report should be view-able for the public. I used Ayla’s case as an example as to why it shouldn’t be view-able. What’s his face broke Pheobe’s window…because he felt like they were withholding information or whatever. This kind of criminal activity from someone within the community…is unacceptable behavior. Even though we feel like beating the answers out of the Waterville, 4. There are people within a community,, that may feel like taking justice into their own hands. If the presentence report is released to the public…things could get out of hand. Anyway, I was able to change one of my classmate’s mind..about having the presentence report released. I used the broken window in Ayla’s case to change a fellow student’s mind. I think that Ayla’s case and Ayla herself…teaches things to people. No matter how big or small the lesson is….
When I zoomed in on the shed, it gets blurry but the only thing I could come close to identifying looked like a an old tire rim up under a makeshift wooden shelf. It also looked as though there were a few rusted metal objects leaning up against the outside left of the shed.
As for your question, I think I have to agree with for the most part. If the pre-sentence report has personal information of those involved and those testifying crossed out or blacked out, then I think it should be public record. But as long as actions like Jeremy’s actions are a possibility, then no they should be sealed. The balance is for those that are responsible, versus those that testified and are not responsible.
My reasoning is two-fold though. Is not a presentencing report issued after a perpetrator has been tried and convicted? If so, then information pertaining to the perpetrator should be public, but definately not those who have no guilt in the crime.
I agree; presentence reports shouldn’t be available. Not only in terms of addresses, phone numbers, and vigilantism, etc., but also medical history–federal law prohibits that being released without consent.
Slotsky85 says:
Maybe they have tools in the shed? Tools are kind of expensive. There could have been some other lawn care stuff in there…
The shed also looks like it is read to collapse.
I think it’s possible that at one time the shed was used to store lawn and garden tools and the lock was put on at that time when the shed was in better condition. Umm… a shovel would be considered a garden tool. I wish we knew what caused them to focus on the shed days after they taped off the house and garage. We all heard that a dog had a hit at the shed but there’s nothing out there to confirm it. I think Justin hid something related to Ayla’s disappearance in the shed, I just don’t know what.
Mama, Slotsky, I agree at one point or another, the shed may have housed tools and lawn care equipment that were expensive. But in that same picture, there is a perfectly fine garage with locking doors and window, that is not ready to cave in if leaned against. I would think that anything of value would be protected from damage by being placed in the garage and only smaller less valuable, throw-away item would be kept in a shed likely to fall over at any time. JMO
But this is why I believe that some evidence was stored in both locations, the shed and the garage. They put what they could put into the garage without it being seen, in the back of a vehicle, on higher shelves, etc. What could not be hiden until the next morning would then have been placed in the shed.
All of this explains why so much attention is also placed on the vehiles, and the triangle of buildings in that spot. It looks as though there is even a forensics person video taping the garage in one of the pictures?
According to the link above the house and garage were taped off on 12/22/2011.
This article which has the pic of the shed, house and garage says the shed was taped off on 12/30/2011. So what happened in those 8 days to cause them to focus on the shed?
On Friday, investigators taped off an area around a shed in the backyard of the house.
According to the CBS affiliate in Bangor, members of the State Police, wearing gloves and boots, were in and out of the house and at one point they removed a paper bag from the house. There’s no indication of what may have been in that bag or whether it was of any significance. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/12/30/more-crime-tape-at-fathers-house-of-missing-maine-toddler/
Thanks Mama, I knew this article existed I was only up to the 28th though. Anyways, if the neighbors were correct in seeing LE have to take off a lock to get inside, then the question is not only what led police to tape it off on the 30th, but what could have been stored in there that was so important or valuable that though the building was ready to fall over, the contents needed protecting from theft?
This article dated 12/26/2011 is when Massey asked for privacy. I would guess whatever they didn’t want us to see, is what led them to the shed. I noticed the garage door was sealed too, which I hadn’t realized before.
“Our team of investigators and searchers have spent the past week working in the glaring spotlight of national attention that has rightly focused on the tragic event which befell Ayla and her family on December 17th,” the release states. “Now, detectives need the opportunity to continue their work for a few days outside of the microscope.”
Evidence tape now seals all windows and doors, including the side door where investigators were seen entering the home last week. The garage door is also sealed with tape. http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/waterville-police-chief-calls-for-quiet_2011-12-25.html
I wonder if there was dirt found in one of the cars or on the bottom of shoes. Dirt located in the car or on shoes/clothing, could have led them to the shed. I know that dirt contains a pH and the pH balance can be tested to see where the dirt had came from. Maybe something from the shed was used to harm, Ayla?
I’m trying to get my bearings looking at the pic Missing toddler 2. I see the two buildings. I’m assuming the one where he’s taking a pic of the doorway is the door to the garage. And the building in the front with the wind chime next to it is the house. Where would the shed be in relation? Or do I have it backwards and he’s taking a pic of the house and that’s the garage toward the front?
There is a dot there of something that the tech is circling. I certainly can’t tell by the picture what it is, it gets too distorted when I try to blow it up.
Dee the pic with the investigator holding the camera against the door – that’s the garage door, the house is to the left and forward of the garage, the shed is behind the house and to the left of the garage. The circle is marked on the side door of the house and the investigator has a swab in her hand, swabbing something inside the circle.
ok, thank you MM for explaining. I couldn’t get the orientation of everything from this pic. I still can’t see anything in detail in the pic but I’m at work and this computer sucks. I’ll look again from home.
If you click on the highlighted December 22 it takes you to the article with the pic, you can then click on the pic and it will zoom in. I have the pics zoomed in on my computer and I can see red on the swab, but when we put them in the post, they lost their clarity.
This is the article with the pic of the investigator holding the camera against the garage door. I think it’s possible he’s using a 3D scanner, they have to be held against something solid or mounted on a tripod. http://bangordailynews.com/2011/12/21/news/state/crews-expand-search-area-for-missing-waterville-toddler/?ref=videos
http://www.kjonline.com/news/Police-to-recap-Ayla-investigation.html
Thank you Sara and thank you Ben! I hope they have something encouraging to say on the 14th.
Hickory we anxiously await your report. Justice for Ayla!
Unfortunately it says there are no new developments. Hopefully we can get some insight into the status of the investigation by what is (or is not) said and how it’s said.
I am hoping that they can at least tell us they the progress of the forensics, and if they have included or eliminated anyone from the investigation. Whoever those are that are responsible need a fire lit under thier ass. Maybe if they feel the heat, then something will break and Ayla can be brought justice.
There will be a news conference re: Ayla on Dec. 14, 2012 2pm in Waterville.
I still can’t divulge what is going on behind the scenes, BUT, it will NOT be announced at that time. As always, I will report here as soon as it is safe to do so.
I am hoping your news is confirmed soon Hickory. Any good news is greatly needed at this point. I am so looking forward to the event reports from the 15th and 17th, as well as the presser on the 14th. We have waited for those responsible to speak for far toooo long, so I say we keep the fire lit under thier feet and get them running for cover. We are just starting and have vowed to see it through.
From your mouth (or keyboard) to God’s ears–I’m praying for good news, but I know you will only tell us when you are able to.
Sorry Mama and Dee, when I zoomed in and pasted it into this story the distortion makes it very hard to see. This is the link for those that need it.
http://www.pressherald.com/news/a-timeline-in-the-ayla-reynolds-investigation_2012-01-01.html
Find the picture 2nd one down. When you hover the cursor should turn to a magnifying glass and just click away. The clarity is so much better that way. The red spot on the swab is visible, weather it is blood or not is the question. If it is who’s blood is it? The X on the door is about 20-24 inches above the circle. There is another spot below and to the right of the X. There are no pictures though of collection of this spot if it was in fact collected. I hope it work better this way for you Dee.
A lot of people don’t believe Trista’s claim of over a cup of blood because LE hasn’t confirmed it. LE hasn’t denied it either. For those who think it was a small amount of blood from a minor injury and Ayla was kidnapped,, how do you explain the sealed garage door, the focus on the shed and the cars seized? Why would the Maine State Police Reconstruction Team be concerned about those things if someone snuck in and stole Ayla and left?
Exactly, mm. And didn’t the police say it was more blood “than a small cut would produce”? So….NOPE, it’s not just four little dots or a smudge here or there.
Amaleen, LE also said that the presence of the blood was “troubling”. He used this word “troubling” on NancyGrace.
And MM, as to the cars being seized and the focus on the outbuildings, have we heard much of the investigation looking for an alive Ayla? We know that some houses in the neighborhood were investigatd, I assume, for an alive hidden Ayla. We know Ayla’s disappearance did not come under the Amber Alert rules, but do we know if LE was ever long in searching for a live baby? Didn’t first responders act as if they were in the very beginning of the case? But then, after the FBI came into investigate, as I think back, weren’t the divers into the freeezing rivers fairly early on in the case? I recall by Christmas time posts were applauding the divers who were giving up spending time with their own families to search the waters for Ayla.
I’ve had two computer crashes since the start of this case and I have lost a lot of articles I did save.
Trista is still being singled out as the perp (“Where is Ayla? Tell, the truth. Trista!”) on JSTL. One poster is even saying that Trista and Justin might have an accord of some sort going on and that is why she is not angry with him over Ayla’s “abduction” and does not accuse him of being involved. In fact does not accuse anybody and seems not angry at anyone, just sad at the loss of her babym but does not call for justice. Of course, more might have been in the article written about her. Journalists can leave out might important things depending upon whom they do not want to offend..
Of course, more might have been in the article written about her. Journalists can leave out mighty important things depending upon whom they do not want to offend..
I agree with everything you said Penny except for adding clarification on the last 2 sentences. The big difference is that reporters can not ethically print any accusations without verification, so they are limited in what they can say. I can tell you I am not a reporter, but when I spoke with Trista, there were accusations, there were names being called, and there was most definately a call out to Justin! I hope he was listening.
** without verification
John, you explained the journalist’s lot much better. They can be sued and if Trista did make any accusations, they might not want to incur any kind of lawsuit by publishing what she said. Although, would they suffer any damages if they are merely quoting?
They don’t make invewstigative journalists as they used to. There’s one day in Orlando, Kathy Bellich, who covered the Caylee Anthony
case. She was unremitting in her doggedness to
get to the truth. We need her ilk in Maine on the Ayla case.
By the way, in one of his statements, Justin said something
to the effect of “When the case is solved, the truth will
come out.” I recall he called Ayla’s
disappearance “a case”. Very odd linguistic
choices for a supposedly worried and anxious parent.
Most parents wouldn’t consider their missing
child anything but a “case”. It seems a little objective to thus describe your child as a “case”.
those text messages tell you how much love jdip has for trista…..mckitty is just stirring the pot. trying to hurt a grieving mother with a dead missing baby. I really don’t know how she sleeps at night. It’s really disgusting. I guess when you get her age your mind plays tricks and you get the need for attention…good or bad. I understand she’s lonely and will be the rest of her life….rightfully so
You are right about the text messages being a clear indicator of JD’s lack of emotion towards Trista. Just like I feel his silence since April 19th is a clear indiciator of his lack emotion for whatever has befallen Ayla.
As for the bloggers on the other site, well I think Peter explained it very well in his latest article on statement-analysis.blogspot.com when he said that these trashers of Trista, a grieving mother, is going to haunt them for the rest of thier lives. I don’t need reasons why they do what they do, I know in my heart it is intended for one reason as Peter said, they have so much pain inside themselves, the only way to not feel thier own pains is to pile thier pain onto the easiest available next person. Trista is the only available because everyone of the W4 are now or have always been completely silent. To hell with them all!
http://www.wabi.tv/news/35095/new-somerset-kennebec-county-da-talking-tough-on-violent-crime
Here is an article with the new County DA beginning in January 2013.
The state Attorney General’s office has offered to loan the District Attorney’s office prosecutors while they get their staff ready to go.
Maloney plans to ask for the maximum penalty in all cases involving violent crimes. Domestic violence accounts for half of the murders committed in Maine, a statistic Maloney is certainly aware of. She plans to be proactive to try to stop it in its tracks.
Hopefully Friday we will hear something to say that Ayla’s justice will begin in January
Hope that the fact it was hunters who found Lyric and Elizabeth- and the fact that Ayla has a massive group of hunters on the lookout for her- has whoever is responsible for her disappearance on edge.
I hope they are feeling the eyes watching and the fire under thier feet getting hotter.
I hope they hear the clock ticking their moments of freedom away.
Mama, thank you for all the work you put into new posts. It is very much appreciated!
Thank you Chicky my heart cries out for justice for Ayla
Where are the stairs justin tripped on when Ayla got the broken arm. it looks as if there is just a stoop. Only one step. Seems like another lie…so sad for this poor baby. I will go to the press confrence and record it with my phone so you put of states don’t have to wait til its online .
Adie, inside the side door, according to Selena, is 2-3 small steps to the left going into the kitchen. The basement door IIRC according to Selena is to the right, and straight ahead is the living room. But this is simply according to what Selena said, I do not know for certain of this.
Hi John,
the DiPietros are keeping that area ambiguous for a reason…if you look at the pics of the living room, there is no door to the hall, bathrooms and bedrooms from the living room! you must have to go through the kitchen entrance from the living room, as there only a wall in that spot, the one where the big TV is to the left, and the kitchen door is to the right, across from it…you can see this clearly in all of phoebe’s pics she released, and the vdeo of ayla dancing in front of the big TV
Stupid phone
I still have a hard time believing that they could put Ayla to bed at 8 pm and not check on her untill 8 am.
I also question that there are any step inside going up to a kitchen.. It is a one story house, that would make for an awfully low kitchen ceiling.
What;s even more ridiculous is Justin’s female fans, many of whom are parents, saying that it’s perfectly normal not to check on your child for 10 hours or 12 hours…whenever, as in this case the time was never really settled upon…blabbing on about how important it is to let the child sleep undisturbed especially when she had an injury.
I couldn’t believe all the women sticking up for a household which had a baby with a broken arm and didn’t check on her at all during the night. Some of the posts were absolutely hilarious in their makeshift agreements with the DiPietro decision to let a soundly sleeping Ayla (evidently) dream on withougt any checking to see how she was doing. Yep, these women were just fine with that.for all sorts of convoluted reasons.
I tell you common sense goes right out the window when some women feel compelled to defend a malefactor liike Justin DiPietro.
There are two different stories to the ‘tripping and falling on Ayla’. I hear that it was raining out, he slipped and fell on Ayla….where he didn’t fall in the kitchen or whatever. Then there is the kitchen story… It didn’t even rain on the night that Justin had supposedly fallen down. I think this is when the kitchen story was conjured up…when they were caught in another lie.
I have a difficult time believing that he ‘fell’ on Ayla. I think Justin grabbed Ayla’s arm a certain way and broke the bone in her little arm. The falling story is just another fairy tale.
God, that poor sweet baby girl.
Slotsky, my intent was to do poll question about the breaking of Ayla’s arm. You are making alot of sense from what I have read so far. Combine this with the information Mama posted about the class dates, and the medical records Trista posted in the timeline and there is NO_WAY the story told by JD is true. It is a complete fairy tale, and I have to say one of the easier fairy-tales to identify.
Mybe I should have asked you to do the guess submission for the broken arm?
If justin went in the side door, where he parks his vehicle, and it was raining, and he slipped then I guess the anti slip material on that side door stoop does’nt work very well.
There might be a step that goes into the kitchen. I have been in 3, one level houses that have a couple steps that go into the kitchen.
My mom and brother live in ranch style homes and they have a couple stairs that lead into the kitchen from the attached garage. My brother has high ceilings, but my mom’s house doesn’t have the high ceiling. My boyfriend’s mom, has a couple steps that go into the kitchen…she also lives in a one story home..with no garage attached. So…it’s a possibility for there to be two or three steps..
OK guys look at the pics in this article. The pic at the very bottom of the page shows the front door. The bottom of the door is even with the bottom of the siding so it would be close to level with the floor. The second pic from the top shows the side door. Notice the bottom of the door is about two steps lower than the bottom of the siding. I think inside the door is a landing, then two steps up to the level of the main floor. http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/snow-limits-search_2011-12-23.html
Oops the top pic is of the side door. Guess it’s time to go to bed
Ok so lets say that when you walk in that side door its a small indoor porch or a mud room the basement door is to the left or right then you walk up 2 or 3 steps open a door and go into the kitchen….this is what I’m getting out of the details posted…if this is the layout…which we do not know….my question would be if the basement door is out side of the kitchen door then why would there be a need for a baby gate….there wouldn’t be…
My aunt lives around the corner from them she has a small one level house with the same type of layout the house pretty much looks the same from the outside her front door has 3 steps up a small porch to get in…the side door has only 1 step then a stoop/porch then you open the door to go into the kitchen…the basement door is inside her house…..not saying that it is the exact same but they are both tiny houses where I don’t see that there would be room for a inside porch
From what I have read Addie, you are very close with your layout. Looking at the pictures of the side door, we know the door opens left to right into the house. That would place the basement door behind the side door when the side door is open. If this is correct the steps going up to the kitchen would be across from the basement door and the living room would be straight ahead from the side door. Anyways that is the way I recall what Selena said about the house layout.
But if this is correct, M. Mama has pointed out a very important aspect that I had not considered. If they are to bring up the evidence of the cleanup from the basement, then as they get to the top of the basement stairs, the evidence would have had to be placed down to close the basement door, then open the side door. If that is the case then there would inevitably be transfer in that “mud-room” (lack of a better term). Was the red spot collected from the side door a transfer? Is there droplets that led past the garage door to the shed on the dirt ground? If so is this why the shed was later taped off as they processed the garage?
I just don’t see the basement door being behind the side door when it is open the corner of the house is where aylas bedroom is/was itbdoesnt seem like there is enough room for a stairwell in that tiny space….I feel like the basement door is off the kitchen or off the living space of the home….
Oh and here at my house I have the same exact stoop outside my side door and when you open the door you go right into my kitchen…I just don’t see where there is room to have more stairs going up on the inside it is only a one level house..sometimes on the tax accessors website you can see floor plans I’m going to see if I can find it
How do you post a picture on here? I made a drawing of the layout…My father was an architect and contractor, and built many recessed basement stairs like this one
Emerald, it is great to hear from you. I can post it in the article above if you e-mail it to me. The only other way is to post it to the internet somewhere and then link it to this post. The comments area does not have a way to post pictures though. Sorry.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/floorplanz.png/
I posted it here, and it is rudimentary, but follows all internal and external images and descriptions I could find, and one possible basement
layout with the ugly flowered couch by the support posts, just lke posts in a basement. There are many pics from CR of Ayla on this couch, some with her son, so it is possible the pics were taken in the basement, or at another location like courtney’s portland apt, or her sister’s house….
I actually have a picture of the inside of the back door! I will send it to John. The inside is flat…there isn’t a step in there. I stayed up late last night…looking for pictures of the Dipietro house…
yay! send it in…!!
Great to see you Emerald! John can you put Emerald’s illustration and Slotsky’s pic in the post?
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/825/floorall.png
Oops this one works I think
On the picture is the house, 1st level with furniture, windows, vents, etc…and doors in red. Also included is the green shed behind the house,
and the garage. The second level is the basement, and there are two layouts of this since details are very vague…
the layout with photos is the Nancy Grace show’s layout, which was what started me on the house, as her layout looked spatially off…any suggestions or first hand knowledge of the DiPietro house is welcome as the aim
is accuracy so that a visual aid to events is in place.
Mama, I have include Slotskys pic if it is the one spoken of y Slotsky, but it does appear there is a step or to inside the door. I had to e-mail Emerald back as the floor plan is PNG and I need it in a JPG format and I can load it into the post. I when I clicked on the PNG it opened for me. I know the mobile users wont be able to see it thoguh. :/
Emerald, thank you so very much for creating the link. It opens fine for me but users with mobile are not going to be able to see the details. Is there anyway you can convert to JPG and forward it to me. I will post it in the story above for all to see? Thank you again!
Slotsky, the picture I posted above in the story appears to have the investigator in dark brown coat standing on a step above the person with the fire fighters coat. It appears in that photo there are steps just inside the door. ???
Hi John, I converted and sent it, but it is rudimentary and
I’m also not sure
not to scale, but that can be fixed
how some of the doors open or the location of the doors in the landing from the side entrance, to the kitchen and basement, but there is no door from the living room directly to the hall and bedrooms, not in any pictures, of
which all angles of the living room have been released to
the internet. Hope it is helpful.
Thank you Emerald, Unfortunately, when I tried loading it it was too large a file. I have included the link you provided in our next Poll Question and I am going to be adding the link to this post as well. I will clarify that it is not to scale but to the best of your ability based on what we know at this time. Thank you again for the work.
Slotsky is it possible fox put the wrong pic in the article? That doesn’t look like the Dipietro’s house to me. The windows are too close to the door and the mailbox should be between the window and door on the left side of the door.
Actuall Mama, I think it is the front door I just posted a pic of. This door opens right to left and there is a storm door on it. It was mainly to show there are steps going up into the kitchen. I do not know if this is Slotsky’s pick though, I got it on FB and brought it over to here.
This link shows the house from the front IMO it’s not the same house.
http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/Police-crime-scene-tape-surrounds-toddlers-home.html
You are probably right mama, the steps in the pic were concrete, your link clearly shows they are wood, and the screen door handle was on the wrong side. I have deleted the pic from the post as I do not think it is the door to 29 Violette any longer. Thank you for bringing it to my attention so we can have a accurate posting.
I am hoping Slotsky can convert the floorplan to JPG and I will post that instead.
I don’t even see where John has posted the picture. I don’t know if Fox did put in the wrong picture. Fox always screws up and says dumb stuff. I noticed that there is someone in the brown coat….that is standing on the stairs. I will see if I can find the article to it….
I think it is the backdoor that they’re going into…
Slotsky the door on the Fox report has a screen door opening from right to left. The side door when collection was photographed has no screen doors and the front door adjacent to the street opened left to right when pictured behind the crime scene tape. Those are the only 2 doors I am aware of.
Slotsky, can you send me the picture you are refrreing to, to my email. The picture I posted was from facebook and would like to make sure we are talking about the same picture. My e-mail is johnpomerleau@hotmail.com
http://www.necn.com/01/31/12/Police-blast-report-that-claims-Ayla-Rey/landing_newengland.html?blockID=641688&feedID=4206
This is an article about a news reporter who made a claim that Ayla Reynolds is dead. This was earlier on in the case, before the news conference in May/June…when LE said that it is unlikely that they will find an alive Ayla. Anyway, LE denied the claims that Ayla is dead.
Doesn’t LE generally avoid saying that someone is dead unless they find the body?
I am surprised that MSP later on said it was “unlikely Ayla is alive”.
CHECK THIS OUT!!!
So earlier in the week this link http://www.facebook.com/Help.Find.Ayla/posts/329523567077430- was posted on the blog entry about Derek. Did you see on the comment post…that Angela Harry says, “Justin- I don’t know you personally” I thought that Angela Harry and Justin had known each other since they were 8. Well this is what this article claims: http://news.yahoo.com/ayla-reynolds-story-startles-public-004700188.html?fb_action_ids=3173547014685%2C3171876732929%2C3159032371828%2C3159020571533%2C3150742124577&fb_action_types=news.reads&fb_source=other_multiline&code=AQBTAcgMxvIYrniR8ZfvypgP7dipYHCYmmcbX-nZ45i243xj8wNfB_T4P0zVLzRJZ7EA_ky9_koJr2gj6R0NzH1bWQ_gi308a0rs23Q6Nkp0VMyE2Phep_hGzwnuOxhDCaCKIvYc-CYxj1WSbgn1lXKDd8YEMfvX574tZuSOqpNmgqb2cEC7Kkw6vuquEzX8GIezdX9wt_2ocoXgiqBF39Fb#_=
I find these two things to be rather curious. I wish that I had a screen shot of “Ayla’s Story” that Angela had written at the beginning of the year.
I also took another look at the POTHEAD forum that Bob Vear rights on… He mentioned something about Ayla in the forum. Some of the stuff has since disappeared. People saying that Bob has a guilty mind and some other things about Ayla….
I am going to take screen shots of the Angela Harry’s fb comments…so she can’t totally get rid of the posts. She smells fishy.
Slotsky, the writings of Angela were analyzed on SA and alot of is still there. But I can’t find it since SA moved to the new URL statement-analysis.blogspot.com
Anyways, you say that it is curious to you that she claims not know JD in the FB clip you listed and then claims to know him since childhood in her diatribe. I would say it is more than curious, it is a direct contradiction. A lie if you will!!
They knew each other when he was 8- she was older. That reference to them being 8 got corrected in a follow-up article and was also discussed in a MS article about the same time. I think if you knew someone when they were 8 and didn’t see them or hear from them for 16 or so years, it’s fair to say you don’t know them.
Slotsky, I remember vividly Angela H. saying she has known JD since he was eight years old…and, furthermore, Angela clained that since Ayla’s disappearance she (anglea) had talked to Justin EVERY DAY. Later on she recinded all sorts of tall tales she perpetrated on the unsuspecting public, but I don’t know how much of her original “musings” are available.
I think Peter Hyatt has the original Angela “explanation” of things…the first fable from AH…on file in his archives.
Penny, you can also go to MS-Online main page. In the top right corner is a search window. If you type Ayla Reynolds, it will list a chronological listing of all thier stories since Dec 17 2011. there are a few listings about the Angela Fairy Tale that you can read there as well.
Many thanks John…that is good to know! And thanks to all trying to get a handle on the scene and clarify what details we do have on Ayla’s “abduction”.
Found it. Justin DiPietro: “The truth is the truth and when the case is solved, it will be out there”.
When “the case is solved”! Not “when my daughter is found”. Not “when Ayla come home.” I just find his referring to Ayla’s abdiction as a case very odd.
And he is waiting around ’til the case is solved for the truth”. What anxiety-ridden parent who has lost a child waitis around for the truth to be “out there”. Out where?
And what truth? Why that Justin DiPietro has been wrongfully slandered and suspected? Grrr…and his trustees claim that there is no playbook for when one’s child is taken.
Oh, but there is…as investigators and profilers can tell.
And he is waiting around ’til the case is solved for the truth”. What anxiety-ridden parent who has lost a child waitis around for the truth to be “out there”. Out where?
I would say that Justin is the only one that “waits”. Trista on the other hand, opens everyones eyes with her interviews, absorbs the ridicule because she is the only parent talking For Ayla, and continues to fight for her daughter without waiting for the truth to come to her. She is reaching for truth, Justin is reaching for the toilet paper because he is getting scared sh**less.
I think justins words show that he was not close to Ayla, did not have that father daughter bond.
And, Chicky, it is obvious that he cares more for his reputation than finding his missing child. Everything he says is centered around how he feels, what he is going through. Not a word does he utter of worry about what his child may be suffering. It’s inhuman. He waits, not for his daughter, but for people to know he’s innocent in her disappearance. He takes no action in finding her because he doesn’t want to hinder the investigation.
Meanwhile, he hides.
I agree Penny and he ticks me off!
Penny IMO Justin expected Ayla’s remains to be found after awhile when it was too late for any forensic evidence to connect him to her death. I think he hoped LE would fall for the kidnapping ruse and when Ayla was found the kidnapper would be blamed for her death. Then super dad could jump in and say “See I told you the truth is the truth, and I had nothing to do with it, the time is right for me to call my bud Derek and file a claim.”
MM, I agree. JD et.al are banking on either Ayla’s remains being carried away to sea, or safely buried or burned in the woods and any evidence which caused her death to be forensically untenable by now. And like many, I believe Justin had more than one night and more than one helper to help him achieve this goal. If he did have more than one day or night, Ayla could very well be far away from where LE has been searching.
I wonder if there are any records of any of the principles in our story going over the border into Canada.
And I can add that not only do these words show he has/had no bond with Ayla, his silence since April 19th also shows that the father/daughter bond was never there. He saw Ayla as a burden, and after harming her, he saw her as a possible annual paycheck! (Per capita annual income for working male adult in Maine 25,800) What a cold hearted **********!
http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/182772/112/Toddler-missing-possibly-abducted
I know this is out of sequence but it clarifies the time that Ayla was supposedly put to bed..
So Chicky, 8:00 PM Friday night she was placed to sleep in her own room.
According to Massey, the child was asleep in her own room, and everyone else in the house went to sleep. Massey said DiPietro was not home alone, but declined to say who else was in the home with him.
Justin called 911 at 8:51 AM the following morning, so it was 12 hours and 51 minutes that are unaccounted for. But we can now say it was less than that since we know, according to Trista’s recollection, that Derek was called before the 911 call. Why?
John and Chicky that article was before the discrepancy came up. I don’t have time to find it now but I read an article yesterday where Massey was questioned whether she was put to bed at 8 or 10, he refused to answer. After that all articles stated Justin called 911,10-12 hours after she was put to bed. Before that it was 12 hours.
I agree Mama, the timeline is obscure. My point though is that this was the first reference with exact times I have found. I am logically assuming this is the initial timeline reported by JD to LE. The 10 PM check up was IMO a parallel lie to cover for all the people questioning why a parent would not check on thier child for 12 consecutive hours. But if this is the initial reported information, JD is locked into it now.
In this vidio it says that it was NOT 10 pm but 8 pm so there was allready a discrepancy. Guess that went back and forth like everything else.
I probably should have searched further to find if the time was amended yet again.
Chicky I think there’s variations in every aspect of this case, because the W3′s stories didn’t match up. So they had to change their stories repeatedly. It’s amazing how much the information changed from one article to the next.
The saddest thing is, just as Peter’s latest story details, the DiP skirts claim it is Justin story whose has remained constant with minor clarifications, and Trista who has been lying. I say to them, get your damned facts straight, because knowledge is power, and it seems there is a blackout for some of you!
Chicky I couldn’t get the video to work earlier and the print below didn’t say the same as the video. I just watched the video and you’re correct.
I dont know how justins ladies in waiting can say that Trista is lying because trista has never said what happened in the house that night. They make up lies all by themsleves then say someone else said the lies.
Deflect deflect deflect, now why would justin and the security blankets need to do that? Better get out the pacifiers justin for when they find out the truth.
I’ve always wondered why the identities of the other people in the house that night was a “secret” initially. Why weren’t they revealed for several weeks (IIRC)?
H2O2 I assume it was because of the minors that were/are in the custody of those that were not mentioned initially. I am assuming that because a child was missing, no minors were identified. Just a guess though.
I wonder if there was also doubt as to who was there with the conflicting stories.
CG, I believe after LE found out about CNN fiasco with Phoebe it definately added to the length of time before people were identified. Granted, my LE friends are not local to Waterville, but I was told by them that it is common to ensure initialy there is no additional threat to the other minors in the house. The CNN interview only delayed it longer.
How did Trista learn that Justin called Derek before 911? I assume she has told LE all those details and LE is operating under that information.
I am sure that LE has the phone records.
Yes, LE has all their phone records.
Penny, I also called LE Tip Line before posting this article to inform them of the post.
Imo..I believe there is only one reason why the garage and shed would be taped off with crime scene tape….I don’t want to say it because it is sad….but its pretty cut and dry…
http://data.visionappraisal.com/WatervilleME/gismain.asp?GID=043-081-000&PID=2271&mutli=no
I don’t know if that link will work but its the info from the accessors website there isn’t a floor plan but you can see how small the house really is
The home is 988 square feet so approximately 32 x 30.
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/29-Violette-Ave-Waterville-ME-04901/84973161_zpid/
Thanks for the link Chicky, you can look at the satellite map and zoom in to see the location of the house in relation to the garage and shed.
The link doesn’t work. Are you able to take a screen shot of the floor plan and then send it to John? He maybe able to add it on here..
Hmmm I’m on my phone let me see if I can figure it out
Ok it is now saying my user name and password isn’t working and won’t let me create another account cuz I already have one…..but if u click the link I posted and then click on Maine then click on waterville me…you can make an account then it will let you type in the address and you can see it…..sorry ill keep trying to figure it out
Okay. I will try making a user name
This is a birds-eye view of Pheobe’s home. Look at where the shed is located….
In the crime scene pictures…the shed is near the driveway/garage/whatever.
One theroy could be that when JD and side kick Derrick got back in the am from a night out partying and a stop for smokes that Ayla was fussy ,crying and not cooperating . So JD gave a piece of a pain pill to Ayla ( to help with her arm pain and to make her sleepy so he could rest.) Maybe buddy Derek said it wouldn’t hurt her and then when the accident happened pannicked and thus helped him with the clean up and disposal. Perhaps Ayla awoke and tried to go down the basement steps , falling and injuring herself in the process. Now they cannot call 911 because there would be drugs in Ayla’s body. Derek would sympathize with JD because he said it would be ok. Otherwise, I can’t see him inserting himself in this situation.
Another point, it had been said on a blog from someone claiming to be cousins of JD that they were training Ayla to sit in a chair (from her high chair) and she fell off thus breaking her arm. Not that I believe any of the stories their floating around out there. I agree with John that JD broke Ayla’s arm by grabbing / yanking her.
Don’t know if this will go through, my internet is falking out. But Jenn, I would think if it was a pain pill it would have been prescribed by a doctor or ayla. They would have had no idea to cover-up a prescribed medication. JMO
But time permitting I am wanting to do the next poll on the broken arm. I am going to try and get it finished up on time. Alot going on right now so I can not promise but I will try my best.
If the DiPietros and CO. thought that it were any kind of an explainable accident,
we wouldn’t all be here. It would have been reported or medical help wpould have been summoned. Something about the whole incident was not going to be believable either because of the condition of Ayla’s body or the condition of the house or the condition of the people in the house.
I still tend toward believeing that Ayla was hurt due to negligence and this negligence would have been very evident to first responders. Someone in that household would have been charged with something even if it wasn’t planned. So Ayla had to be disposed of and an abduction story had to be invented. A kidnapping story was the only way to wipe all evidence of negligence away. The only scenario that I think seems to fit my own accident-through-negligence theory is leaving Ayla alone in that house asleep or drugged…or leaving he alone in the house while her caretaker was in a drugged out condition. Not getting back to her or supervising her before something awful happened to Ayla.
I am not dismissing the theories of a rage-induced accident due to stress or lack of sleep, but I tend to think that all the DuPoetro defenders who know what happened feel that JD should not be punished for an “accident”.
Excuse me for repeating myself with this post. I know I am not bringing anything new to the discussion!
New ideas or not Penny, it does clarify how you feel about what happened. I for one do not need an apology for this comment.
Simply keep writing from the heart and there is no need to apologize It is the Dupe-tro Supporters that should apologize.
John I think Jenn may have meant someone else’s pain medicine, not Ayla’s. Her doctor said to give her ibuprofen according to the ER records. If they gave Ayla pain meds not prescribed for her they wouldn’t want the hospital or DHHS to find out.
I should have known that Mama. Thank you for reminding me. Jenn I apologize for the misunderstanding. I must be getting tired to have missed that. I need to sign out for the night and get some sleep.
Didn’t someone claim that Ayla was seen being load into a white van? there is a white van on this link…if you scroll way down. http://www.sawbuck.com/ME/Waterville/29-Violette-Avenue
oh slotsky, we’ve been there n done that. It was sold 3 yrs ago. and that’s not a white van or the type of van. if you search j4a you find your answers. this is no kidnapping there is no white van n phoebe in furry. slippers…. it was the kadoe story!
I know that Ayla wasn’t kidnapped, but possibly they were dumb enough to haul Ayla out…after the fact.
The screen door could have been removed at one point and put back on….
Who knows. I sent you the picture from my Facebook account.
Slotsky I think John’s having internet problems, the weather’s been knocking mine out quite a bit. Anyhow I’m anxious to see the pic if isn’t the same one.
Slotsky, I did post that pic but I removed it as the windows were too close to the door frame. Also, the door handle of the screen door was on the right side. In the pics of the house, both the front and side doors have the handles on the left. Though it could be a mix match set of doors, and the screen door was taken off the side door, I did not see the latch or screw holes where the forensic team was collecting samples from the side door. But I will post it again in the post. I have to go back and try to find it in my messages but Mama is right, I am having internet issues. It has been raining all day here but I will repost it for you as soon as I can.
I remember that heartbroken, I tried to find it, but gave up. Sometimes I think we should recap some of the beginning posts from J4A for those who weren’t reading here at the time. So much has been speculated in this case, it’s hard to keep track of all of it.
Thank you mm that’s exactly what I meant. I also want to note, I recently came across a blog where an acquaintance of JD mentions that JD always had a violet temper growing up and it would’nt surprise him if he did something.
Well, jess, we know that Lance DiPietro has a violent temper, and we don’t have to rely on any poster to tell us that! And while Lance is beating down someone who had the temerity to say bad things about the household on FB, the driver, of the aforementioned agressor, his bro, Justin, is looking the other way so he can’t see nuthin’! What a family!
Sorry, I meant jenn! Not jess. My typing skills are a little below abysmal! New glasses should help.
That isn’t a very high income…. I think only a single person, could live on that kind of annual income.
If they’re careful 2 people can live on that annual income, not in luxury but they could live on it.
Especially if the medical and food is supplemented. When the income is that low, the state subsidises the income and it makes it possible. This is very coming for young couples with a child.
If someone earns $25,000 a year they have to pay for gas to go to work 5 days a week for 52 weeks of the year. if Justin received $25,000 from State Farm the only thing he’d have to pay would be his premiums. Any way you look at it, Justin would’ve come out of it with a pocket full of money.
Slotsky if you mean $25 k insurance proceeds, it’s not nec a question of living off it. That’s a decent sum to get all at once to invest and there’s been some mention of a possible double payout. Either way it’s a good chunk of $ especially for someone whose mother is providing for what would be his major expenses, room and board.
I agree CG and I wouldn’t be surprised if Courtney was paying for the little extra expenses like movies, alcohol etc.
Justin isn’t living at home, now, with Phoebe, or so I have read. Where is he and with whom is he living? With Courtney? If so , it sounds as if she would be supplying room and board for the Peachy kid instead of mommy Phoebe. Is JD working “under the table” at some bar? Isn’t that what he did before so no one had to bother with that troublesome income reporting thingy? Why do we never have any word of Justin? Honestly he seems to have pulled the ground cover over himself. Maybe he exists in a root cellar. He seems to like those underground boudoirs.
Check this out on a blog “Becoming Earthly Mother” run by Derek’s wife Kylie says on 2/27 they (six men) visited their cabin in Millinocket. This area may be worthy of checking out, especially if Ayla went missing a week prior. Also, criminals tend to dispose of crime relate items in areas that are familar to them, oops.. I mean to Deurek.
Jenn do you have a link, we talked about this before on J4A but I never saw the blog itself.
I read “Becoming Earthly Mother” blog earlier on. I had forgotten about it..until you brought it up.
Sure, http://becomingearthymama.blogspot.com. The mention of the lake is the Monday , Feburary 27th day 7, 8, 9 blog. Perhaps when they were ice fishing Derek disposed of other items that were kept on his property previously without his wife knowing. I hope the link works.
I have reposted the picture from Slotsky and I have included the link to the Emerald floor plan diagram for the house on violette Avenue. I am having internet issues to but I will answer any questions I can. Please be patient or ask Slotsky and Emerald directly. Thank you for your patience.
Hi John, check your email
I sent you some pics related to the ones at the top of this post, as I noticed something weird in a different set of pics from the same doorway. It is interesting, as it appears there is more than one forensic area of interest at that doorway…
Emerald, I have not recieved any e-mails, though it could be my internet service due to weather. Did you send them to johnpomerleau@hotmail.com or to my message folder on FB. I can not log into facebook right now, it continually times out.
Please remember to place your votes for Poll #11. I will be collecting the results tomorrow evening. If you are not sure, cast your votes again and it will simply over-write your previous votes. Thank you again, in advance.
OT ~ I am looking to ride with someone to the one year mark vigil in Portland. I can meet someone in Guilford, dexter, newport, pittsfields.
I do not know my way around Portland and have a hard time driving after dark. Thank you
I am sure someone can help you out Chicky. I wish I was able to attend, unfortunately it is not possible for me but know I will be there with you in spirit.
Chicky are you in waterville?
ddie, about an hour north of waterville. Hopefull y someone close to here is going or coming from the bangor area and pick me up in Newport.
I have posted two new photos provided by Emerald. I am going to use Emeralds words explain, but if you zoom in you can clearly see more forensic markings on the door frame itself. Emerald says:
(These) two pics are of a larger circle about 5 inches up from the lowest hinge, on the external DOOR FRAME, not on the door at all-two seperate spots, circled, swabbed and photographed. And, in every video of the two DA’s entering by the side entrance that the media filmed, the tech or chapperoning person stops to point that spot out specifically before entering, even taking a flash photo first (in one of the videos). This is very interesting for many reasons, which I am sure will be quickly self-evident (transfer or smear of blood/bodily fluids during transport of body, or clean up materials, or even direct spatter if there was active bleeding happening during transfer. I can’t believe I missed that there were two forensic evidence locations (at least ) at that entrance.
Thank you emerald.
Please light a candle in each room and shine the light for Ayla to come home.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=ayla
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=ARAA
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=WIA
Common sense still tells me that if Ayla disappeared the night she was reported missing they would not have had time to dispose her body very far away and she would have been found by now. That’s why I believe she had been harmed and not by accident either, days before. If that is the case, they were able to find the perfect hiding place,and know she will not be found. Even without the body there can be a prosecution but it takes more time. Circumstantial evidence has solved alot of crimes. I am hoping for her mommies sake that it happens in this case. I must say the whole thing makes me sick. There are just way too many animals in this world!
It seems to me that the theory that Ayla went missing before the night she was reported missing was dismissed a while ago. Didn’t the police say something about it ? I also think I can remember people outside the inner circle of family or friends and who were not siding with the DiPietros saying that she was seen on Friday morning. Didn’t Trista mention at some point that the police told her Ayla did not disappear before that night but they didn’t explain to her why ? Unfortunately, I can’t remember when or where all of this was said.
SNC I remember LE told Trista it was closer to the 16th than the 8th but IIRC they’ve never stated when Ayla was last seen other than by the 3 in the home.
I don’t see the new pictures…are they the ones with the two men walking into the house the one with the long coat on
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Mountain Mama, I think I remember Trista mentioning that LE told her that Ayla didn’t disappear before that night and that she was surprised and that they didn’t want to give her details. I think I also read from a few people who were not from the inner circle of family or friends of the DiPietros that Ayla was seen on Friday morning by witnesses and that they wished people stopped speculating about Ayla disappearing before that night. These people were not friends or family of the DiPietros and had no link with them. I read that on several occasions and unfortunately can’t remember where or when exactly.
SNC You are remembering things differently than I remember them. Maybe you can find some of the statements from these people?
This is all I’ve found so far SNC, it’s from May 6th.
There is something that has been troubling me that has previously been the subject of discussion here and on JusticeForAyla. The last time Trista heard from Ayla was on December 8th 2011. We have yet to hear from anyone credible that has seen or heard from her since, however one of the MSP investigators told me that the rumors that Ayla has been missing since then are false. The investigator would not confirm an actual date so I believe that it might have some bearing on the case. http://united4ayla.com/moving-day/
I only saw where derek had said he saw Ayla on Friday morning.
Justin and Courtney broke up. Justin is living and working(lol) in Portland now.
No offense Matt but we’ve heard that before. I hope it’s true so Courtney can get her act together and stand up for Ayla. So does Justin have a “real” job?
I have heard that Justin and Courtney have broken up too. Not sure if there is any truth to it…
In one of the news articles LE said they were working on the premise she disappeared the 16th. That leaves a lot of room for other scenarios to be considered as well IMO.
I agree CG and if these people who supposedly saw Ayla want everyone to quit speculating, then why don’t they say anything on the blogs or facebook? I would think one of the local reporters would want to interview them.
IMO the public has a right to speculate on this case, Justin could’ve explained why LE was checking his whereabouts on the Cumby video from before Ayla went missing. He chose not to so we are naturally going to question how it relates to Ayla’s disappearance.
Wouldn’t you think that if any of the neighbors on Violette Ave. saw Ayla, or if a grocery clerk or a store clerk saw her on the day of the 16th, we’d definitely have heard about it.
Some people who say they are not defenders of the DiPietros really are protecting them and only say they are unconnected to give credence to something that defends the family. MOO.
The new poll question is up along with the results from last week’s poll question.
Still nothing new. Baby girl you will get the justice you deserve.
McCausland told Nancy Grace that “as of now”, they were going with Ayla disappearing on the 16th. He told NG very little, though. When she tried to get him to say the word “splatter” in talking about the blood, he absolutely refused to fall into her dialogue trap no matter how many times she used that word or questioned him about it.. And he only said the amount of blood was “troubling”. Close to the vest is how LE played it. I surely hope this was the best course.
His ex-roommates stated he was in Portland the 14th, 15th & 16th taking his belongings to Waterville. I don’t believe that he stated that Ayla was with him then so not sure who could have been watching her. He did say Ayla was living with him at the appt. Up until early December and he did not move to Watetville as per the Agreement. That would make since , since some of PD’s neighbors did not know Ayla was living there. Also, let’s try to remember that JD#s longterm girlfriend and all her family “support” is in Portland. No one tells “JD” what to do. Don’t forget he could be spiteful.
Jenn I haven’t heard this before, where was this said or do you know Justin?
He did say Ayla was living with him at the appt. Up until early December and he did not move to Watetville as per the Agreement.
No, MM I don’t know Justin thankfully. I just remember reading about it on one of Alya’s Facebook pages. It has been a while but I went back to see if I could find it again and could not but I did come across a post by someone named Jessica Daniels that seems to be refering to the same blog I read. I wonder if it could have been since deleted. The reference is : http://WWW.Facebook.com/Help.find.Ayla/posts/323876534315420
Dated Feb. 22 @ 5:36a.m.
On this same link, Angela H is once again stating that she did not know Justine “one step away from a total stranger” I think is how she put it. Utterly rediculous that a “one step removed from total stranger” is going to have the full details of this tragedy in less than two weeks with total assurances that the “Fairy Tale” was truthful and from a credible person. More like from a manipulator to a gullible if you ask me. She knew him when he was 8, and now 24 he spills all he knows to her in less than two weeks but wont tell LE all he knows in almost a year! What a waste of friggin oxygen this walking talking sack of shit is on this planet!
Thanks Jenn!