United for AylaPoll question #11: Derek Tudela, how is he invovled?
I will begin with the results of last weeks poll and Elisha’s involvement and where our voters believe Ayla was sleeping on the 16th of December. It is clear that most (88%) believe Elisha is lying but your perception of additional involvement is mixed. As for where Ayla slept the night she disappeared, it is clear again (78%) believe Ayla was not in the house the night of the 16th.
1 )What was Elisha DiPietros’ involvement in Aylas’ disappearance?
A) I don’t think Elisha is involved in any way. 6%
B) I think Elisha is lying but is involved in no other way. 29%
C) I think Elisha harmed Ayla and is involved in the cleaning and/or disposal of evidence. 2%
D) Elisha is lying and involved in the cover up but she didn’t help with the clean up or disposal of evidence. 21%
E) I don’t think Elisha harmed Ayla, but she is lying and is involved in the cleaning and/or disposal of evidence. 38%
F) None of the above I think Ayla is alive. 4%
2) Where was Ayla sleeping the night of 16 December 2011?
A. In her normal room with Gabby initially, then Gabby was moved to Elisha’s room. 6%
B. In her normal room, but she was alone for the whole night. 6%
C. In Phoebes’ room, where she normally doesn’t sleep. 10%
D. None of the above since she was not in the the house the night of 16 December 2011. 78%
We have discussed the Tudela’s involvement as a family back on the Week #5 Poll Question. According to the results, the family involvement remains in question as to why is the Tudela family so deeply involved with Ayla Reynolds case. I think there is now a reason we can all agree is one of those reasons why the Tudela family is so deeply involved, but the answer to that question is going to bring another crucial question to light.
So to start explaining why I think the Tudela family is so deeply involved, I have to explain what I believe led up to the morning of 17 December 2011. I have formed several opinions based on what is now known. But I do preface this as my opinion.
One of the items we now know is that Justin and two other men were at Cumberland Farms at 2 am, the morning of December 15, 2011. Another item that is known is that a $25,000 Life Insurance Policy was purchased on Ayla. This amount is equivalent to the average working adults’ annual income for the state of Maine, but yet she was only 18 months old when it was purchased. And another Item we know is that Derek claims to be at the house, on the morning of the 16th and “that is confirmed”, for a playdate with his son and Ayla.
Actually “eve”… If mom reallly said afternoon she was mistaken. Consider it CONFIRMED I saw Atla that Friday morning.
So I guess I need to start with the night of the 14th. Remembering from when I was a young adult so very long ago, I believe Justin would have had someone with him when he went to Portland the night of the 14th to hang with his buddies. I believe that someone was Derek. I also believe one of the three people on video at Cumby’s is going to turn out to be Derek. This allowed both of them to have a good time and if either of them was too intoxicated to drive, the other could do so.
Then after 2 AM on the morning of Thursday the 15th, Justin knew he had to be back to tend after Ayla because Phoebe had to work and Elisha had to go to class/work. So there was a very early morning drive back from Portland to Waterville. Once at the house on Violette Avenue and Phoebe and Elisha had departed for the day, Derek, Justin and Ayla are now the only people in the house. Justin is then downstairs in his room trying to sleep and Derek is on a couch in the living room. Ayla awakes and Derek takes her downstairs to let Justin deal with her, after-all Ayla is his daughter. He returns up stairs to crash on the couch and Ayla becomes hungry and/or wants changed and dressed. Justin is awoken by Ayla and he is angry, tired and still feeling the effects of the alcohol and/or drugs from the previous evening. A violent act of rage occurs and Ayla’s blood is spilled.
This now involves Derek in Ayla’s disappearance because he is scared law enforcement will find out about the LIP he sold Justin, exactly 6 weeks prior to Ayla’s disappearance according to Trista. The LIP is going to look as if it were motive if only Justin and Derek are in the house. They then decide that the two of them need to clean-up any evidence, and create a story to be told to everyone as to where Ayla may be (ie with a babysitter or with Trista).
After a sloppy clean-up is done, several items are move to the garage/shed to be stored out of site until it is clear to dispose of the evidence. It is getting late on the 15th so they have to come up with the play-date for the 16th so they may dispose of the evidence which is now in the garage/shed.
It is now time for the “play-date” on the 16th, and at this point Derek and Justin have to split up. One has evidence with Ayla’s spilled blood and the other has Ayla herself. They go in different directions. Derek will drive over one of the bridges going towards his home, tossing the blood evidence over the side. This would explain the items found in the river on the 25th.
Justin goes in the opposite direction with Ayla, thus providing plausible deniability because neither one knows where the other is going. It further explains why multiple cars were siezed, and we are not even aware of others that may have been siezed as well. This also explains why Derek claimed on Facebook to have been at a poker party on the 15th and had the play-date the morning of the 16th. Effectively, they were trying to alibi each other.
Now, this is the reason for the Tudela family involvement. I saw Friday night, that there was some conversation on Facebook about some calls that Justin made before the 911 calls. Because of this conversation, I had to ask Trista if the information I read had been told to her? I did receive confirmation from Trista about the 6 weeks before the disappearance for the purchase of the LIP and any calls made by Justin that she was made aware of before he placed the 911 call.
So this brings us to the morning of the 17th and the 911 call. I have been informed by Trista, that Derek was in fact called before the 911 calls, thus confirming the claims of the commentator on Face Book, but I was not told Phoebe was called before so I can not confirm that information. I believe Derek was told something along the lines of, “hey dude, I’m about to call 911, are you ready?” That was the heads up to Derek that the poker party and play-date are going to be told to law enforcement as his alibi and Derek needed to be ready to verify the alibi. Oh, and while on the phone he was also told to get over there soon, thus placing Derek at the house to provide the alibi, and to know that he needed to call his mommy and ask if the DiPietros could spend a few days at the house with them.
The poll questions below should be answered with the following precursor added to the front of each question. “With this new information about Derek receiving a call from Justin before the 911 call being verified by Trista, I believe Derek……….”
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A slightly different format for this question but this is a slightly different type of post. Please feel free to respond to each question when voting. I did not set it up that every quetion must have an answer but I did include a “No Opinion” for each qustion if you are not sure.
I usually wait until people share their opinions before I vote. This time I already voted and don’t expect to change my opinion unless Heidi comes up with a darn good reason for Justin to call Derek before he called 911.
John what is the investigator doing to the door of the garage?
Mama, if you recall from my post, I felt evidence was kept in the shed/garage overnight on the 15th, before being disposed of on the 16th. This photo from what I can tell when I blew it up, is a forensics specialist processing the door frame, or photographing the inside of the shed/garage. There seems to be a very small area connecting the side door, the garage door, and Aylas bedroom window so I am interested in knowing what they found in that small while procesing for evidence.
This article has a picture with the garage, house and shed in it. They’re all pretty close together.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/12/30/more-crime-tape-at-fathers-house-of-missing-maine-toddler/
Now that I answered your question, can you try to please answer one for me!
How is it possible for Justin to call his BFF, and insurance agent, before calling either 911 or Ayla’s mom?
Well since I don’t believe Ayla disappeared during the night, I doubt Justin felt an urgency to call 911. I think the last person Justin wanted to talk to was Trista. I personally think Justin forgot the specifics in the lie he and Derek planned and had to call Derek to get it straight. JMO
I can think of 20 reasons he called Derek first and not 911. None of them are good though. I was thinking as soon as you said your comment, I was thinking that the play-date was fabricated during that call.
But what if it was to verify that the evidence had been disposed of so that Justin could call 911. If the evidence had not been disposed of, then he couldn’t call yet.
that sounds right John, a last call to confirm that the call to 911 was about to take place. and to make sure that the evidence was disposed of.
and a one last time to go over the poker playdate lie…
I usually do the same mama, but not this time..i answered each question as i read it…but then when i came to question 6 i clicked that the middle option which i really didnt want to and then i couldnt unclick it…so John if you can change that for me i would like to not choose an option for question 6….of course he is involved in every way…
I pray to God that LE makes an arrest very very soon, this baby girl needs justice.
This weeks poll question really just breaks my heart, to even think that Ayla had to go threw this. A sweet little innocent baby. Why? Why? Why? I am so sad tonight.
Trista, you a very strong beautiful woman. I dont know you Trista, but i want you to know not only do i love your daughter i also love and support you 1000000%…im not trying to be queer i just want you to know that i got your back, any time, any where, any place….I am here for you…God Bless you Trista.
I will fix the question 6 now so there will be a fourth option that says you have No opinion. I forgot to include that option for question 6.
Addie, Mama, if you refresh, the #6 question should be fixed. you will have to answer all 6 again to change your vote from before.
will do!! thanks John
He had to be sure the life insurance was already in effect.
That could also be Robin. In my talks again, I do recall several instances where Trista mentioned it being “exactly” 6 weeks before Ayla “disappeared”. If anyone knows, is ther a cool-off period or waiting period dealing with a 6 week period in Maine or with SF specifically?
You see…he knew exactly what he was doing…down to the day
I to believe they were talking about certain things before taking Ayla on Oct 17th. I think the CDL course was because of the connection from JD & DT, through Courtney to Brianna. The CDL would have allowed JD & DT to expand a little bit with there “enterprises”. How else is he paying child support, child support again, car insurance, $450 for a course that he had to pay for a doctors slip of health prior to and everything else as an unemployeed leach to society??
Having Ayla, which I believe was driven by Phoebe, simply provided the oppertunity to expand even more by opening LIP’s on both Ayla and JD to wash the little profits they were making in thier small time “enterprises”. But it was all in forethought of expanding the “enterprise” and the rage on that faithful morning destroyed the palns for expansion so plan B went into effect and they decided to at least profit from the LIP’s. Disgusting yes, and I am sorry but it is only my beliefs.
derek 5/16/12 11:49 PM
Actually “eve”… If mom reallly said afternoon she was mistaken. Consider it CONFIRMED I saw Atla that Friday morning.
Yea I bet you did Derek.
So everything is confirmed Derek including your grammer, punctuation etc. But next time slow down a little and spell Ayla’s name correctly. Justin can’t speak her name and you can’t spell her name. What does that confirm to me?
I think he called derek first to let him know that he was about to call 911 so derek would be ready if the sh*t hit the fan.
I cannot imagin any reason to not call 911 first!!
derek, from postings I have seen is just as much a nasty talking person as justin is. Two peas in a pod. Wish I could think of a better anology.
I can imagine many reason to call Derek first, but what scares me is every reason includes Derek knowing exactly what happened to Ayla before the 911 call was made.
of course he knows…he knows everything….
you know maybe Derek being so deeply involved might actually give Ayla the justice she deserves ….maybe LE will offer him some sort of a deal in exchange for the where abouts of Ayla….i think that if Derek came forward and said yes i was involved but i did not harm Ayla…Justin did call me Justin did tell me he harmed Ayla and asked me for my help and yes i did help him…maybe they will cut him a break and only give him 50 years in prison rather than life….
HT maybe you should advise your pos son to come clean now…he should get a lawyer and go to LE and tell them all he knows in exchange for a plea. HT im sure you are worried about your grandson…you must like kids if you do a home daycare. Are you haunted everyday by the thoughts of what your son did…I bet you dont even want to call him your son.. I bet you are ashamed that is the man that you raised..i know if my son was involved in the murder of a baby i would disown him. i would never speak to him another day in his living life..i might talk to him in disgust after he went to hell but to say he was my son i would rather stab myself in the face then to admit that i raised a baby killer.
Addie, what makes you think Derek and Justin are not sharing a lawyer much like Elisha and Phoebe. Obviously due to conflict of interest the lawyers can’t be the same though for al four.
well John i guess i didnt think they are not sharing a lawyer i just thought that DT probably thinks that he was in the clear and didnt need a lawyer…
do you know who their lawyers are? i would like to give them a job and tell them that they should tell all of these pukes to make a plea so that we can have ayla
with her mommy where she belongs…
I never thought of it either Addie. Until I was told about the call, I hadn;t even thought that Derek would need a lawyer because if the LIP was for other than legitimate reasons he might have lost his job and been fined at most. But this is a new ballgame. I even started wondering about a polygraph, did he get asked to take one, and did he pass or fail if he did take it?
i meant give them a call…
You just told Elisha and Phoebe’s lawyer. He said in an interview that he gets his information from the internet, not LE!
oh good thats great cuz i def got better things to do then calling lawyers of guilty ppl that kill and cover up crimes of innocent children
I can not EVER believe that anyone would not call 911 first if their baby was injured or missing! It’s just unfathomable to me!
i could probably bet my life he smoked a cigarette first too….how sick!!!!!!
i bet JD is loling at that comment saying ‘howd she guess’
I want to know what was found in the river…Damn LE better make an arrest or give us a very good update soon…one year is coming in less than 2 weeks…this baby needs justice..and to think these baby killers are walking around with other kids. Justin a father to Ayden and Derek has a son as well…these boys are better off with no fathers then to have fathers that kill babys…
Me too Addie, those items in the river, what were they and were they Ayla’s.
perhaps they were the clothes that DT and JD had on a bloody sock or something…if there was blood on the floor im sure it was hard not to get in on themselves
sorry…i didnt mean if there was blood on the floor…i meant…im sure it was hard to not to get the blood that was on the floor on themselves
i remember reading on a previous poll question or some where else on this blog that Justin baracaded himself in the bathroom for a little bit, maybe he did this so that Derek could get there so that he didnt have to answer question alone. so that him and derek could both be there saying yup this is what we were doing/did..ie poker game and ‘playdate’….
i hate using the word playdate…i know it is not a word that 20 something year old guys would use i know that was what HT said to say..
i wonder how she feels having a son who is a baby killer…she must be so proud of him..
That’s a good possibility Addie. I never thought of that, but then we didn’t know before that Justin called Derek before 911. LE told Trista that Justin was barricaded in the bathroom when they got there. Yep I think you’re right, Justin was waiting for Derek to get there.
It was stated on a CH post on Gather. A telephone conversation between CH and Trista.
whats CH?
CH = Chelsea Hoffman who is a writer on Gather.com
oh yeah, i read all her articles i just forgot her name…i am terrible with names as you can tell..im always saying whos this whos that…
i am very mad and sad tonight….
if my sister or my best friend ever called me with a phone call saying what Justin had to say to Derek i would have hung up the phone and called 911…without question without stopping for even a split second and thinking is this what i should be doing…
i say the Tudelas and Phoebe failed at parenting. Hopefully the mother of Dereks son knows not to let Tudelas have any sort of influence on her son because he will turn out to be just as big of a wack job as Derek.
I believe that both of these dispicable men are guilty. Justin killing and his puppet helping to dispose. It makes me sick that no charges are happening! Ayla is a beautiful little girl who did not deserve this. I think Justin was pressured by Phoebe to go get her because there was no way , for 17 years, that she was going to pay child support for her low-life son. She thought Justin was a great dad? She knew better! Elisha is mentally unstable if she thinks Gabby is not in harms way. And lying for her Mom and Justin, to me, is Child Abuse of Gabby ! What kind of life will this little girl have? Their names are well-known now, they are the most hated family worldwide! Dispicable Scum!
I too think the initial grab was purely about CS and orchestrated by Phoebe. Everything else was Derek and Justin IMO.
I would think that LE would do some sort of press conferance at the one year mark tho I doubt there will be any new news other than if we pick up on something in their demeaner
channel 7 news (ABC) out of bangoe just had a news story on Ayla. I sent in the info on the events and asked them to do a news piece. They said that they will give updates as it gets closer to the event dates!
Should say Bangor.
http://www.foxbangor.com/news/local-news/221-ayla-reynolds-anniversary-approaches.html
WVII fox
Awesome news Chicky. Thank you for this awareness update. On this good news, I will call it a night. Something positive to clos an otherwise sad day. Derek Justin speak now, it will all come out anyways
Prayers for Ayla
Prayers for Trista and Lil Man!
awe thats awesome chicky……that made me happy…its a plus too because here in waterville we dont get the bangor news stations we get the portland ones…the next town over from us (fairfield) get the bangor news station. so that is really great news…hopefully more ppl from fairfield and the surrounding towns come on the 17th that would be great!!!!!
HT right now you should be sitting in front on your laptop reading these posts from tonight and crying your eyes out…you should be doing this because you know that soon you will lose you son because he made some very bad decisions…if this is in fact what you are doing then that is good because that means that soon very very soon sweet baby Ayla will have justice…im sure you know that she needs to be laid to rest…she is a baby…a baby HT…a baby….how could you????????????????
Addie I would imagine Heidi is coming up with excuses as we speak as to why Justin called Derek. I just can’t believe how many people out there are willing to lie and hinder LE from finding Ayla. Ayla will have justice!
i bet it will be that trista is lying…lol…not really funny but to think they will say another lie after another lie on top of another lie….what scum…
I think thier excuse will be Justin got his days mixed up and thought Derek might have had Ayla for the Friday play-date.
As silly as it sounds, I am sure he has already been asked about his call records, let see if they can say anything close to what Justin told LE when he was asked this same question.
I would imagine that Justins skirts are either trying to figure out how to twist and spin this information or trying to figure out how they were able to be duped by Justin into defending his actions all this time.
This is the final straw for me. I have eliminated all doubt that something terrible happened to sweet Ayla, that there was more than ample reason for LE to make thier statement of 31 May, and who those are that are responsible. If those that are still defending his innocence still truely believe in his innocence, answer one simple question honestly, why call Derek before 911 and yet never call Trista?
By doing so even the staunchest supporters have to admit that Justin knew exactly where Ayla was that morning and never considered Trista as possibly having Ayla. If he had thought this from day one, why didn’t he call her on day one to ask. Why did he wait until after Trista called him out to even contact her? Trista should not have had to find out about Ayla from her dad and step-mom, she should have been told by you Justin! You truely are a coward!
I just read this on the Bianca Jones article
It is also why polygraphs must only be conducted using the subject’s own words….
to me this is great to hear i didnt know this…
ED, CR and JD i bet you didnt know this either
this too…
If it is the cadaver dogs their record is usually good. they can indicate where a body was long after it has been moved,
…..thats hopeful…
There was a cadaver dog there and there are only 3 working in LE (there are others through private searches and MESAR). The one pictured in some press photos is a cadaver dog. I’ve seen the dog work and the dog does have a good track record. Has found lots of deceased people, evidence, and live persons. I don’t know what else to say about that particular dog or the types of searches LE did. LE has not released much on the case. There must be a reason.
I have a thought Ruby if you don’t mind commenting. I have read quite a few case files of late and when cadaver dogs hit, it is most commonly not reported, but when the dog does not have a hit that is most commonly reported. I guess what I am saying is I would have expected a relase from the chief (Massey) if there had been no hit. If there was a hit I would have expected no word on that but it could have been an indication of foul play, and I think this is what happened here.
I’ve seen both reported. I can’t say what the typical practice would be. I just know that a specific dog was used and the dog is very good. The dog had a hit on a deceased person in 30 ft of water. That’s how good this dog is. For whatever reason LE is keeping the results of using the dogs close to the vest.
The very thought of him getting away makes me sick. This jerk doesn’t deserve privacy or need to be left alone. If i were trista I would be beating that pitiful excuse for a man and getting answers for Ayla.
Digit, in my talks with Trista, I do believe she would if she could. Lord only knows how many times she has thought about it I am sure. I give her credit though, she has always thought of Lil Ray and realized that she can’t do that. She fights For Ayla with her words and actions every day. Stay strong Trista and Ayla will have justice, you will have answers, and keep being there for your Lil Man!
Good morning everyone. Somehow I doubt that derek and justin are having a good morning!
I too doubt it Chicky. I do feel sorry though for those who have been victimized by these two’s deceit. They are quick to accuse, accuse, accuse, but when it comes out that it is them doing what they accuse others of, all of a sudden they are like “Oh, no big deal, that is natural for us and this why”! Well I am calling Bullsh** on this one. Without a doubt, Justin and Derek have alot of explaining to do not just to LE, not just to Trista, not just to Ayla’s Team but also to the people who have been lied to for so long in order to get them to support Justin and Derek.
Good Morning!
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Just stopping in for a sec. John, Outstanding job on the poll question & your version of events. I think your spot on. Great Job my friend.
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mountain mama – A special Hello to you as I missed you last time.
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All of you are doing a great job of keeping Ayla’s name out there. I consider all of you Ayla’s Angel Advocates.
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Thoughts, Prayers & Blessings to Ayla, Trista & Family & All of you.
Good Morning LE Anon,
I look forward to your comments when you are able. Your encouragement as always is greatly appreciated. I want to add you as one of the Ayla’s Angels Advocates. Too often those providing the encouragement and support forget that thier contributions make all of this possible.
Dog gone it! I missed you again LE Anon. It’s good to hear from you and we’re always encouraged by your comments. Ayla’s Angel Advocates, I’m glad you’re part of the team LE Anon.
Sweet Ayla we are not giving up!
John, wow, just wow! about the call to Derek before the 911 call if that info is accurate. Considering everything you posted here, I think people should also look at the content and tone of this post- http://www.facebook.com/Help.Find.Ayla/posts/329523567077430- (scroll down toward the bottom) by Derek shortly after Ayla was reported missing. The vitriol and judgmentalness are strongly indicative of something other than merely defending a friend who’s been criticized online. It makes me wonder, with the other evidence cited, if there was something more than a rage killing going on. I have been on the fence about the LIP given it was Justin’s BF who sold it to him, but as the evidence keeps piling up, I am wondering more and more if there wasn ‘t a plan to get rid of Ayla for once and for all. Derek seems to be saying Trista set something in motion that was justified in his opinion. The transfer of blame to Trista by generalizing from the particular incident to the overall situation is telling IMO. But when you think how unintelligent it would be to plan a killing and commit it in your own bedroom, I dunno- Justin doesn’t strike me as that lacking in intelligence, so I move back toward rage killing which seems a fit with his personality.
Also want to point out that they could not have kept a deceased Ayla in the house, shed or car for long (I think it’s 45 min to 1.5 hours or something in that range, but there are people more knowledgeable who could give you a definite answer) without there being cadaverine to detect. That should, IMO, play into any explanation of what evidence moved where and when. If there were a dog hit I find it hard to believe that would not have been announced early on, though I could be wrong on this. Maybe because of the three possible suspects, it was held back.
“Derek Tudela – Teri… Where ate you getting this BS. Do your research. The father never once mentioned anything about the people who were in his home or reason to believe any one there was involved. Secondly, the parents will not re-unite as you say as they were never a couple; let’s not beat around the bush… It was a one night stand! I am all for a mother raising her child when she is responsible and loving but this mom has been to rehab… MORE than once! Is she really crazy enough to believe that filing for full custody was a good idea? She is frigging homeless!!! He didn’t “give the woman a child.” in fact, she didn’t tell him about his daughter unroll she was seven months old and the mother had no other option when applying for welfare.”
December 21, 2011 at 8:00pm · Like
CG If this is the comment from Derek you are referring to, then I have to agree. It seems to me he is implying that Trista instigating Justin into whatever occurred causing Derek to believe Justin needed protecting from what he had done. Is he turely trying to justify everything that happened in this one statement. It seems so to me.
Not only can Justin hide behind the “skirts” but Derek even acts like one. To me Derek is in the same catergory of Peachy Protector like those dizzy females who think Justin acts like any other real grieving or anxious father.
Derek always rises to defend his now and forever boyhood chum by tearing down any who might take advantage of Justin.. Derek feels compelled to absolve Justin of any responsibility in producing Ayla. To Derek, it’s as if that sexual predator, Trista, tied Justin’s arms and legs down to a bedpost, and demanded a sperm donation from him or she would take his life. Undoubtedly sporting some weapon of mass destruction, Trista took Justin’s innocence against his will, but being developmentally backward, poor Justin didn’t have the capability to resist or fight back! Why, in all likeihood, poor slow and mentally impaired Justin didn’t even know from whence babies come. By the time Derek helped Justin figure it out,
JD was a papa.
All kidding aside, is Justin somewhat mentally challenged? Does he ever do anything for himself? Does one of his protective mamas or Derek have have to dress him every morning and wipe his mouth and along with other of his assorted orafices? We know someone else other than JD has to be writing the few speeches he has given ot ptess and public.
I’m serious! I cannot believe JD is all there. Maybe he broke more than his wrist in that snowy accident that Mama Phoebe worried so over…the past one that so occupied her mind instead of the new broken arm of a little baby
– you know the one — her precious granddaughter, whom we honor and none of the Di Pietros seemingly give a second thought about.
I think Mama Derek is just protecting a poor, slow boy who was grossly sexually taken advantage of by that insidiously clever, Trista. Now, all Derek must do is sit Justin down and explain nicely to him that babies are not pulled up out of the pumpkin patch. Futhermore, someone in the know, needs to explain to pontificating Derek that takes two to tango and whether the dance goes on or not, the egg and sperm donors are both responsible for babies. I wonder if Daddy Derek accepts this biological fact about his own son…the little one who goes on “playdates”.
Penny, I was disappointed at first when you said “All kidding aside” I was laughing so hard. But then when you mentioned “Mama Derek is just protecting a poor, slow boy who was grossly sexually taken advantage of by that insidiously clever, Trista.” My laughter was resored. Thank you for the laughs.
Now, all kidding aside, I do agree that Derek is no better than the skirts, protecting Justin from everyone who can see past the snow storm of distractors. How is Derek going to explain the phone call away? I hope that others in Dereks life are asking him right now, did you get that call, what did Justin say, why was he calling that morning, and why are you protecting Justin above your own family?
CG there was this.
MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, Nancy, I believe that the dogs are gravitating from the garage outward, and that, indeed, may be what led them to the dumpster.
Now, why are they in the dumpster? Because they don`t want to have to do a landfill search three weeks down the line. We see it time and time again, where — well, just, I guess it was a week or so ago, when another case that we were covering, the little girl was found in the dumpster. They need to do this.
And I don`t know about bringing cadaver dogs to dumpsters because if you find — if you find old tampons in a dumpster, if you find Band-Aids in a dumpster, it`s all going to lead to the same scent of decomposition and alert the dogs. Therefore, they methodically have to go through these bins to find any traces of the missing child.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1112/20/ng.01.html
“Also want to point out that they could not have kept a deceased Ayla in the house, shed or car for long (I think it’s 45 min to 1.5 hours or something in that range, but there are people more knowledgeable who could give you a definite answer) without there being cadaverine to detect. That should, IMO, play into any explanation of what evidence moved where and when. If there were a dog hit I find it hard to believe that would not have been announced early on, though I could be wrong on this. Maybe because of the three possible suspects, it was held back.”
Cadaverine can be detected after as little as two minutes (86%), but with greater accuracy after 10 minutes (98%) per this reference book – Police and Military Dogs: Criminal Detection, Forensic Evidence, and Judicial Admissibility By John Ensminger.
The FBI was called in but left fairly quickly, deciding that no abduction took place. Early searches mostly focused on water. At that point the blood had been found but it was not known who it belonged to. So what caused the FBI to discount abduction and leave so quickly and for searchers to be looking in places where an alive Ayla could not be? Cadaver dog hit(s). I don’t find it that strange that it wasn’t announced if there was a hit in the shed, garage or basement. MSP has been very tight lipped with everything in this case, releasing only bits and pieces of info.
I wonder Dee, if the dogs did hit would the FBI have left or stayed. I was told by a friend, that the unit of the FBI that was there was specialized in child abductions and would have left, but I spoke with others like myself that feel if they are FBI they are first obligated to a possible crime because of the hit, and then the abduction. Just asking because I do not really know?
“I was told by a friend, that the unit of the FBI that was there was specialized in child abductions and would have left,”
That is what I have been told too. The FBI is not just the all encompassing G man anymore. They are made up of specialized departments/units. If one unit (child abduction) is not needed, they leave. If another unit (criminal investigation) is needed they’ll be called in.
Also keep in mind Trista and Derek did not know each other personally. Whatever is motivating Derek in that FB post, it’s not based on any personal interaction between him and Trista.
“Derek Tudela It sickens me when those who don’t know any details make nasty assumptions. You’re going to feel like an ass when you find out how great a father this guy really is. Ayla was exactly where she shoils gave been. The only person to blame is the evil psycho who steals babies”
December 18, 2011 at 10:00pm
It seems Derek was using the stranger abduction theory in the beginning.
BTW Derek who feels like an ass now huh????
“Also keep in mind Trista and Derek did not know each other personally. Whatever is motivating Derek in that FB post, it’s not based on any personal interaction between him and Trista.”
CG, I think this is the case with all the skirts defending Justin. They do not know Trista or her family personally, so they get their info about her from Justin and Co.. Someone in the DiPietro faction sets the tone of the posts about Trista and the same words to describe her are disseminated to the faithful…same stories told…same slurs and defamations used…same whitewashing of Justin’s relationship with Trista. (He is an innocent victim of Trista’s wiles to obtain his precious bodily fluids! Her wiles could have easily trapped an unsuspecting naif like Justin!)
So… who directs the symposiums wherein the skirts are given their mantras for the day? Justin seems totally capable of such insulting attacks on a woman, if you read his texts to Trista. I do think he has some help from his two main excuse-makers…Angela and Heidi…but he is there… in the thick of things… directing the traffic, IMO. And he thinks he is so much better than his child’s mother and her family. What an elevated sense of himself he does have.Lysigoa
Penny I agree on all but one item, I think it is Heidi and Courtney that are his main excuse-makers. I have a quote from the same CG link above to explain why. Notice Angela does not know Justin and is minimalizing Aylas disappearance through jokes. Heidi has to protect Derek and Courtney hates Trista because of the Jusin/Trista cheating.
Angela Harry – Justin, I don’t know you personally but it is apparent from many who do that you are a pretty terrific Dad. Children don’t go missing because their parents are flawed or imperfect, for if that were the case I wouldn’t have my children (ages 15, 13, and 5). My husband and I have had friends over many times in 15 years, and no, we do not ALWAYS check that they are still in their beds when we go to sleep. Yes, I assume they are still there on occassion. No, I do NOT check on them every 30 minutes while they sleep. How *silly* was THAT comment?! My 15 year old daughter was in- not a toddler bed- hold on to your hats…but in a twin size bed when she was just 22 months old! Whoa! Yep, you read that right. I had another child on the way and we needed the crib so she went to a big girl bed. With a little mesh flip-up thing that slid between the mattress and boxspring so she wouldn’t roll out of the bed at night. Miraculously she never disappeared in the middle of the night. *EVERY* good parent worries that their kids will get hurt, break their arms, become terminally ill, or disappear. An *NO* parent can prevent every harm that comes their childs way. If it hasnt’ happened to you it is not because you are perfect, so shut your trap and get off this page because you aren’t helping anyone.
shes a joke>>>Children don’t go missing because their parents are flawed or imperfect….
so what perfect ppls kids dont go missing only imperfect ones…
…gottcha!!!!!!!
that makes a whole bunch of sense
Though Angela is very frustrating makes lite of Ayla.s disappearance I was only trying to show she did not know JD, so how on earth can she say all she has unless someone told her what to say. I think that someone was Heidi and Courtney!
Is Dereks wife slow or mentally challenged=Can’t she see that Justin is more important to Derek than her and his baby son. He would rather stick by his BFF than his own wife and child! Wake up Woman!! Speak of why Derek was out the whole nite instead of home with you and the baby. Maybe its high time you opened your eyes and your mouth before you or your child goes missing! Or are you into the drug scene too?
I’d be truly worried about your own son! When will he go missing?
“I have been informed by Trista, that Derek was in fact called before the 911 calls, thus confirming the claims of the commentator on Face Book,”
I was absolutely floored when I read this. Who calls their bff before the police when their baby is missing? What did Justin think – that Ayla got up, walked herself on out the door and over to DT’s to have another “playdate”? He needed to call DT and make sure she didn’t pop in to visit? Unfreakinbelievable! I’ve been thinking DT might be involved in more ways than just the sale of a CLIP and I’ve been 95% sure Justin was the one responsible for harming Ayla. This cements it and now I’m sure on both counts.
Good thing I waited before posting this or a LOT of editing would have been needed!
You are not the only one that is Fr****n pissed Dee! I have been holding back the porfanity and name calling but I am sorry, this sorry POS is a coward, does not know how to spell father much less act like one, and should spend the rest of his natural life behind bars!!!!!
Here is the next poll question. (I’m being facetious.) You wake up and find your baby missing from her bed. You search the house and can’t find her anywhere. You look outside. She’s not there. Who do you call first?
a. your best friend who lives in the next town
b. your mother who had a sudden urge to have a sleepover and wasn’t home with you last night
c. your baby’s mother who lives in another town some distance away
d. 911
Most anyone would say d, c, or b, IMHO. There are potentially good answers for any of those calls. I can’t imagine many people choosing a.
CG the only justifiable reason I can think of is if Derek was there the evening of the 16th after Ayla went to bed, and Justin called and asked Derek if he noticed if Ayla was in her bed when he went up to use the bathroom. Or something like that. Of course we know that Derek supposedly wasn’t there that night and in my opinion neither was Ayla.
I think you have a great poll question CG, maybe I should add a #7 to this poll. I have to add something to a. your best friend who lives in the next town “but is in fact your insurance agent too”.
I find it disgusting and very telling that he did call DT before 911 but could not find it in his COLD-COLD heart to call Ayla’s mother. She had to find out through channels. Simply disgusting and tells me he knows exactly where Ayla was.
How about this:
e. Perhaps you passed out from some substance and have no idea what happened to your daughter. Since your best friend was also around and a little more sober than yourself, you decided to call him and ask if by perchance he took a needy baby Ayla off to Mama Heidi to look after so you could catch up on a few zsssss.
The only ‘play-date’ Derek took part in was a one on one ‘play-date’ with Justin playing ‘words’.
Sorry H2O, I think the typo was funny but I know you meant words. LOL
New blog on stl…wow
Sorry, I just read the blog and I had to laugh. I will say this and then ignor the blog, which in my eyes is justly deserving. Let me explain why, on that post it says
“my point is that the polls mean absolutely nothing in the big scheme of things. They add nothing to the conversation. They’re just as worthless as U4A itself.”
Well I will ask a single question, if U4A, J4A, WIA, ARAA, Heelp Bring Home Ayla Reynolds, and the other 12-15 FB sites are not talking about Ayla’s case, then who is going to keep her alive in media and print? I know for a fact the paternal family isn’t going to.
excellent point John, Bout every 5 months or so you’ll hear about How Much their doing (JD and fam) and all these big billboards that they are in charge of putting up from here to Japan. This family makes me vomit in my own mouth a little everytime I see or hear their BS venom.
I agree H2O, I get sick every time as well. I could not even list all the sites that support Ayla and finding her justice and sadly, the paternal family is not associated with any of them. Absolutely criminal of them all!
They don’t dare to do too much to even simulate interest in finding Ayla…presupposing they actually believe she was taken by someone.
When any of them opens his/her mouth…and I include Angela, Derek and Heidi along with the DiPietros…the whole lame crew give us so much fodder for us to chew on!
If the DiPietros wee not hiding a horrific family secret, they’s be out lound and proud
doing anything to bring attention to Ayla.
If U4A and the polls are worthless, why is the pepto-bismol pink blog commenting about it? What’ve they done for Ayla lately?
I Agree wholeheartedy. What is the big secret about what was found in the river?? This has gone on way too long!! What is LE waiting for?
John, you are doing a great job!!
Thank you Glenda, I am hoping this post will open some eyes for those who have been duped by those involved. I agree that it is time to end this tragedy and give Trista answers and most importantly bring justice to this innocent angel!
This is my outlook on it.
It is most likely that Ayla is dead, but LE has to make sure they know what the cause of her death was.
Yes, her blood was found on the basement floor and wherever else in the home. LE has to make sure that Ayla was murdered for sure or if the crime was an accident. You can not charge a person for a crime that did not happen… i.e. murder.
We don’t know that she was murdered, we can only assume that she was.
Plus a person can not be tried for the same crime twice…so they have to make sure they have ever piece of incriminating evidence together. The case has to be tight..so nothing will slip through the cracks. They also have to make sure that they have all of the evidence, since new evidence can not be introduced in a trial. New evidence that is brought in during a trial…is automatically suppressed. There are rare exceptions that the Grand Jury will allow new evidence into a trail…even though it goes against a persons 4th/5th Amendment.
Anyway, LE could be possibly waiting for a body. I just watched a case on BIO where they couldn’t convict a person of murder without the bodies. The people ‘disappeared’ in September of 1995 and weren’t found until 2001…when the guy confessed of the murders and led them to the location of the bodies.
Sometimes a crime will not see justice…until the body(ies) are located. This is a horrible truth.
I agree Slotsky about the double jeopardy, but there has to be lesser charges that can be brought against others. Ayla’s justice will happen, it is a matter of time only! I believe that completely.
I also read a story on SA where several were charged in concert because one committed the crime and the others remained silent and covered up. So LE charged them all as “in concert”. I think it was in Arizona??? But the point is if LE knows what happened as I suspect they do, why is the AG not proceeding as in concert.
I know the first instict is to say what if it was an accident, and I had that same question early on. But in the 11.5 months since then, any one of seven could have confessed to an accident especially if the bath salts are not testable drugs. There was no way to prove drug related after 10 days, after 30 days, after 300 day, or now 352 days.
I don’t think they would admit to it…even if it were an accident.
They all are in far too deep now…
The abuse of a corpse, obstruction of justice/lying to police, etc.
They can not charge them with ‘in concert’, since it is when two or more people commit or conspired to commit the same crime.
It could have been Justin acting alone and the everyone else..jumping in to save his ass.
I did not know that in cocert required them to conspire before the commission of the crime. I thought it could be after when the coonspiracy is agreed to. I learned something Slotsky, TY.
U4A is pointless….are u efffinnnggg kidding me….what a joke…i really didnt want to read that other blog but i did, regretfully!!!!!!
those ppl over there just like to talk s#!T about us because they have nothing better to do with there lives…
….i will not speak one more word of them..this is not why we are here….
WE ARE HERE BECAUSE AYLA BELL REYNOLDS IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I will however sit here and bash DT for what he has done to Tristas baby…i cant wait til he goes to jail i might even send him a letter…maybe even some canteen money…ill send him 2 cents….lol….HT not only does your son look like a creep but he IS a creep.
I guess this is why your husband hasnt spoken a word he must have been raised better than you HT. he has probably said that he doesnt want to be involved…or did you not tell him your son killed a baby. Hes probably on the verge of leaving you huh..then what you will have nothing but oh wait nothing…hes the bread winner in your family you have a daycare or had a day care cuz really what parent would be stupid enough to put their kid in a home that a baby killer lives in. so once your husband leaves you cuz your son killed a baby you will have nothing not a thing.. and guess what i cant wait….
i wish i could say stuff on here that i cant say cuz if a certain someones house burns to the ground i might get in trouble for it ….
addie, addie, addie
Addie does seem a little upset tonight,doesn’t she Mama?
I am glad and I hope this post has a similar effect on some of the people in the house of those involved. At least to the extent that people have to ask those involved WHY, WHEN, What, and WHERE!!!!!
you dont even know!!!! i have been P Oed since reading this poll question last night….i was just thinking that i have to really chill out…i have said the word kill so many times on this weeks poll question it is making me sick…i couldnt even eat today…just thinking about Ayla and what these sick pricks did to her. i am so mad. and i am so sorry for Trista and lil Ray and big Ray…because even though he is locked in a cage he was a better father to Ayla then Justin could even be to a goldfish never mind a baby girl…Ayla!!!!!!!!!!
I am sorry Addie. My intent with this post was to get this type of reaction out of one of those that knows what happened to Ayla and get them to talk. I did not intend to make one of Ayla’s Team sick. But it is a very sickening secret that this POS and his BFF have been keeping from all his skirts, don’t you think?
Did Justin say that he went to Portland that night, to pick up a mattress from his apartment?
If Justin went to get his ‘mattress’ from Portland, what was he sleeping on beforehand? Why didn’t he bring his mattress with him, when he moved in with mommy dearest?
I think Ayla’s blood was spilled on whatever he had been sleeping on….
This is why he had to go fetch his mattress from Portland. I also believe that Ayla had ‘disappeared’ the night before the 15th. It takes a while to clean up blood, the floor would have needed time to dry, airing out of the room, and then the disposal of the evidence. This is why I think she disappeared before the 15th.
Does anyone know if there was/is carpet in the basement bedroom? The pad underneath of the carpet absorbs liquid, so blood stains would have appeared on the mattress pad…if the carpet had been torn up by LE and the FEDS. This is probably how they know, how much blood, was spilled on the floor.
I think Derek helped with the disposal of whatever, Justin had been sleeping on down in the dungeon [basement]. I also believe that he was in Portland, on the 15th of December….probably being a mattress moving buddy.
I know that there were rumors going around that Justin snorts/smokes bath salts. I am not sure if this is true or not. If so, Bath Salts, causes really bizarre hallucinations and if they’re taken long enough…can actually cause Schizophrenia.
It is a possibility that Justin was on Bath Salts and thought Ayla was something else, freaked out and accidently killed her.
There isn’t a way to test for bath salts either…since they don’t have a test for it yet. It doesn’t show up in a persons blood…
I just hope that Ayla’s disappearance/murder…wasn’t an eye for an eye.. tooth for a tooth….kind of thing.
It wasnt an accident…thats for sure…accidents happen in cars…or accidents happen when ppl fall off ladders…accidents dont happen and babys die and you lie and cover up the murder…that my friend is not an accident. even if he was on bath salts he did not take them by accident.
does anyone know who Kylie Tudela is? is that Dereks wife?
i want one of them to come knocking at my door for all the crap i talk about them so i can knock their block off….look me up in the phone book im there….come over!!!!!
addie!!! What are we gonna do with you? I’m as mad as you are, these people shouldn’t even be called human in my opinion. They’re all a bunch of cowards, all of them.
Come on Heidi, please explain why Justin called Derek before he called 911. You lied about the amount of the LIP, you lied and said Ayla didn’t have a pink blanket, you lied about AYLA’S BLOOD! The truth is the truth and the time is right! Tell the truth for once Heidi!
or do you want me to meet you at the local bar????
i gtg i am way to mad to be on here tonight….im sure i will be back tho…
Addie- Settle on down. IF you punch one of them…you will be charged with assault. You’re better than they are…don’t let them get to you.
Baby’s do die accidently and their parents freak out and do stupid ass shit.
What about that woman whose child died in the crib and she got freaked out and hid him in a diaper box in the attic?
Yes, I believe Kylie is Derek’s wife. You can look them up under Radaris.com…their personal information comes up. I have sluethed out a bunch of those people…
Courtney Roberts, is so tight with the Dipietro family that she is even on their aunts and cousins friends lists on FB.
I didn’t say that Justin took the bath salts on accident, but Ayla’s death could have occurred accidently. Maybe he was coming down from his high, when he realized what he had done. People who are high on drugs…usually don’t want anything to do with police.
He would be charged with drugs and her death…
so contacting them could have been the last thing on his mind at the time.
I thought there was a commenter a while back that said the reason bath salts were preferred by most was because there was no way to test for them? IDK, I just think if this is the case, then they could have simply told what really happened after a week or so if it was an accident.
Bath Salts are also cheaper and easier to get a hold of.
It is a possibility that it is an accident, but it is not a for sure thing. It could also have been a premeditated murder. I think when or if they find Ayla’s body, her body will tell what happened to her. If she was stab or shot…there is a chance a piece of bone was nicked or is missing from the incident.
I wonder if LE still thinks that Ayla is in the water. If Ayla disappeared before the date of her disappearance, which I am assuming that she did…
They had plenty of time to hide her body…
When I was touring the BCA in St. Paul an agent said that it takes over 10 times to totally burn a body to ash. So if they did burn Ayla’s body, they would have had to start over 10 fires or keep the fire burning continuously for however, many hours.
Anyway, there are several theories that could have happened to Ayla, who all was involved, and where she is now. I have read that some murderers re-visit the scene of the crime repeatedly. This helps them hold onto the high they get from murdering. I don’t think this is the case with Justin, he doesn’t seem like the serial killer type. It makes me wonder…if he does re-visit where he put Ayla or if he just tries to block it out of his memory.
I worded my last post funny.
It is easy for Justin to re-visit the scene of the crime…since he lives in the house.
Anyway, I kind of lost what I was trying to say in my last comment.
:-p
I think I get what you are saying. But I do have a few friends still in the area, they are telling me he is not living in Waterville anymore, but he does visit mommy dearest on occassion. So maybe he is visiting the crime scene, I think he is trying to block it out like he has for 7.5 months.
For the “crime scene” are you talking about
Phoebe’s house…or the place where Ayla may
be? I can see JD revisiting where he placed Ayla,
if indeed he did place her somewhere, to check
that everything is okay. Nothing has been found
or disturbed. But,if guilty, he has to know that
LE is watching his actions pretty closely. Or I would
think they are watching him. Maybe their budget restrictions
can’t handle this survelllance any more.
He seems to have deserted the Phoebe abode
for better climes. I’m surprised to hear he comes back. Did Justin
return after his time at the Tudela manse? Or did he go on to
Portland after the Heidi retreat?
I was talking about the Violette Ave house since that is where the crime scene tape was placed. If he moved there after the Manse, it was not for long. Recall that the J Hansen incident was only Elisha and Phoebe at the house and JD did not go back until a day or two after the incident. Maybe looking to see if he could find about his and Lance’s next joy ride around town, if you know what I mean.
I know 85 that udidnt say he took bath salts on accident…I got what you were saying im just mad tonight
..john I know your intentions were not to get us u.pset. And you didn’t. I am upset mostly at all the mothers and woman involved. One of them should speak up for Ayla tonight…..
so now my concern is with Kylie…I read online she is a homeday care provider….this makes me sick
I am glad you are back Addie, I never meant to upset you and I am glad I am not responsible for it. I to think and hope beyond hope that one of them read this and are touched in thier heart as you have been by Ayla. They have to speak for Ayla. We already know too many who will not.
The Home Day Care Kylie works at is Heidis Home Day Care. I do not know if it is still open since Justin has moved out of the Manse.
Addie, I have some updated information about the Daycare. Apparently I was incorrect. A friend of mine e-mailed me to say the Daycare is not with Heidi anymore. She apparently has opened her own unadvertised Daycare Center out of her home but it is listed on her FB page. This is what i was told by my friend “She has a new preschool place she opened in June or July in Winslow out of her house. It is posted on her FB page, however. Called Bright New Beginnings….or New Bright Beginnings. Just thought I would let you know!” I just wanted to be accurate for you Addie, but it does make me ask now, why is Kylie no longer working with Heidi? Just saying!
Yeah that’s where i saw it on her fb…important de going to can her licenser tomorrow she can’t have a home daycare with DT living in her house i will go stand infronnt of her house with a sign as saying just how i feel…say i won’t??? Watch me!!!!
Wow stupid phone…it meant to say i will call her licenser hous
Do we know for sure Heidi didn’t move the business to Kylie’s? Or does Heidi still have hers? Either way I can’t imagine leaving small children with Derek’s mom or his wife whether Justin was around or not.
Poor little Ayla deserves a Bright New Beginning
We do know for sure M. Mama, but we do know it is named differently and in a different location. Even if it is still being back by Heidi as an extension of her existing business or not, I still think Kylie needs to evaluate this new information of the phone call before the 911 call. Did Kylie know of this call? If she didn’t why was she not told? If she did I would love to hear why she was told JD felt it important enough to call her husband before he called 911?
Poor little Ayla deserves a Bright New Beginning is right!
I do not think it was a bath salt fueled rage. I think there was more premeditation. This was not an accident, IMO. Rage, yes. Accident, No.
I think you are right BMAT, there was definate excalation in the 59 days leading up to Dec 17th, and the the last escalation was simply rage with no forethought. I do understand that some would consider that an accident because the rages prior had not cause the kind of harm this did, but I think it is a matter of personnal definition for the use of the word accident. I think many of us are saying the same thing, but do not want to believe that a father could willing cause this type of harm on such a sweet angel. JMO
Im a little confused, the rage that you are talking about.Is this new information or just opinions, on how you think Justins role played out. Hav a blessed day!
It is strictly opinionated about the rage. The escallation of injuries is documented through the doctor reports with some injuries cited by Trista. But the rage is opinion on my part.
Someone got shot last night at the bar that Lance used to work at before he turned his back on Ayla and ran away……
justin is in portland now. closer to his other child ^_^
I encourage anyone willing to call a bath salts fueled rage or temper tantrum gone wrong an accident to consider that you are playing in the abuser’s mindset. Abuser puts self first, foremost, only; makes bad choices; blames others or fate for foreseeable consequences of own actions.
It doesn’t take much parental savvy to realize its unsafe to use drugs while caring for a child, especially a baby very dependent on parents) for basic care, or to understand that throwing, kicking and the like can and will inflict great harm on a small body a fraction of the adult’s size.
Child abuse due to anger or drug use is child abuse; child killing due to anger or drug use is killing; the act may not be planned but it is not accidental in the least.
I agree 100% CG, in my book it is punishable as if they were sober. I think when I told BMAT that I could understand people using that word, I should have said I do not. It is my opinion that if you harm a child while under the influence of illegal drugs, then you are guilty of murder. Period, not manslaughter, not wrongful death, MURDER!
I have learned alot about abuser through this case, both personally related stories of abuse and those that I have read as research. You are on point with the mindset of the typical abuser. And in this case, Justin exhibited an escallating level of abuse over 59 days.
First, can I ask – Where did the bath salts talk come from? If we’re talking about it in general, ok. But in relation to Ayla’s case? I’ve heard rumors of recreational drug use but not bath salts, that’s hard core stuff.
If Justin was taking a truck driving course he would have to know that to get employment driving a truck you need to obtain a medical card. Part of the physical to get your medical card is a thorough drug screening. I know bath salts are supposedly undetectable, but don’t you think he’d stay away from drugs in general if he hoped to obtain his CDL?
CG – I agree, any kind of drug or alcohol induced impairment is no excuse. It would not be accidental under those conditions. An accident is a kid falling off the monkey bars or like my grandson, a little monkey jumping on the bed – he fell off and bumped his head…but good too, he had to go to the emergency room. Striking out in a rage is not accidental and neglect is not accidental. And being impaired while you do it is not accidental and doesn’t excuse it, it’s a choice you’ve made. 7 years ago my nephew was killed in a car crash (tomorrow would have been his 27th birthday so I’m feeling a bit sad right now). The other driver was impaired. It was not an accident. He chose to take oxy’s, vicodin and smoke pot and then chose to get behind the wheel of a car. Vehicular Manslaughter, not an accident. Actions have consequences.
Dee, I think bath salts talk or gossip came into this case because during the middle of the investigation an arrest was made of a man in Maine who was on bath salts. He exhibited a deranged state of mind as some on PCP have shown. I believe he was originally arrested while cavorting nude. At that time, some were posting that bath salts was a drug out of control in Maine. it was cheap, easy to obtain, and undetectable by the usual methods. From there, talk began that perhaps JD and friends had been taking bath salts the eve of Ayla’s purported disappearance. That’s aboput all I can recall about the bath salts issue. Some others might have a clearer picture of how Justin and friends became associated with the term “bath salts”.
In one of Tori’s first posts on this blog about Justin and roomies in Portland, she said that one of JD’s roommates, who was related to Tori, told her that there was nothing more than pot smoked among Justin’s apartment mates. Of course this doesn’t mean that JD didn’t smole other stuff on his own away from the romies. Or indeed, if the roomate was telling the truth.
This roomate also told Tori that Justin admitted to his roomates that he had failed the polygraph and “miserably”.
Dee I don’t have time to find it right now, but I read on the website for Justin’s CDL classes that it was mandatory to pass a check up with a physician before starting classes. I would think they’d do a drug test then too. IDK.
CDL/Bus Driver Training (Fairfield)
Lawrence Adult Education in Fairfi eld is offering a driver education course leading to a Class B CDL with a school bus endorsement. To be eligible to take the course, applicants must be at least 21 years old, have a good driving record, and provide proof of good health. To register for this course, please call Lawrence Adult Education at 453-4200 x 3114 for an application package (registration form and a physical form to be completed by a doctor). Application packets are also available online at http://www.lawrenceadulted.org .
Classroom time: Tuesdays/Thursdays, 6:00-9:00 p.m., 16 sessions starting Sept. 6
Driving: Must be available on Saturdays. Some weekday and evening time may also be available.
Fee: $450 http://midmaine.siteturbine.com/uploaded_files/midmaine.maineadulted.org/files/MMRACE_Fall_2011_Brochure.pdf
I guess phoebe really did not have reason enough to be truly worried about justins wrist during the supposed fall that broke little Aylas arm. She was more concerned for her baby rather than the real baby but justin has no issue with his wrist when driving a big rig. Selective sympathy.. justin, oh the poor little baby.
It is still my belief that the broken arm was not a result of the fall. I believe it was the result of a rapid upward lifting motion in an attempt to scold or punish a child.
Dee I think all of you are correct. Mama showed a drug test would be required, but Bath Salts are undetectable after a very short period of time as Dee said. The bath salts were introduced a while back because of arrests in the area and statements by locals and LE that bath salts were readily available, inexpensive, and undetectable.
Personally, I do not believe it was bath salt induced, as I have been told that they rapidly disipate in the system so the affects are not nearly as long lasting as other illegal drugs. I believe the night of the 14th, while in Portland with his buddies (Cumby video at 2 AM the morning of the 15th), the combination of alcohol and Oxy’s (Briannas drug of choice for distribution, 998 Oxy’s when busted) was the party favors of choice for Justin and his friends. So the morning of the 15th in my theory would not have been bath salts, but Oxy’s.
That is not to say I think JD was using bath salts or not, IDK either way. They have not been directly tied to this case where as Oxk’s, crack, marijuana, and sleeping pills have been directly tied to the case.
Not to be disagreeable John but I must’ve missed it when sleeping pills were mentioned. How is Justin connected to sleeping pills?
Mama, I thought JL made reference to pieces of sleeping pills used to help get the kids to sleep. That and blowing smoke in thier faces. I may recall it wrong but I don’t think so. (Smashed up and mixed with bottles or food IIRC)
UGH!!!
Im on the stupid phone so first let me start with sorry for all the typos …..the only reason Justin was taking the CDLg class was cuz he went and got welfare for him and ayla and welfare makes you do something youbcant just sit home n collect….so out of all the choices for him to do I would Cdl was the best pick….he wasn’t thinking about the future or even working he just had to do something for welfare in order to get his check……from the moment he decided to goband get Ayla from Jessica he had a plan…and that is quite clear….if not then we wouldn’t be here….an Ayla would be !!!!
addie I thought the same thing but Justin started his CDL class on Setember 6 and he didn’t get Ayla until October 17. IDK if he could’ve gotten welfare without her living with him.
Oh mama…i didn’t know when he started but i still some how feel that i am right…jd knew his off sold lips. My off is an advocate for abused woman and children she would be the first person i call if i was abused. Jd and dt talked about the lip b4 he even had ayla. He knew exactly what he was doing from the jump.
OT, Trista and Cynthia of LNM are looking for a DJ willing to donate thier time for the Shining Hope for Ayla event on 15 Dec in Portland. It would only be for the time of the vigil, but a microphone with low volume music during the event is mainly what they are looking for. If anyone knows of a DJ, please ask and if anyone is in possession of sound equipment of this type please contact Cynthia as soon as possible so she may check the final arrangements off the list. Thank you all and please search your memories to help Trista and Cynthia with this event detail.
I wonder if one of the nearby churches could help with the sound equipment.
Thank you Mama, your suggestion has been forwarded to LNM.
OT, and sorry to say it, but hunters have found the missing Iowa cousins’ (Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins) bodies.
http://www.omaha.com/article/20121205/NEWS/121209812/1685
May God hold and protect, love and cherish the innocents that have been taken from thier loved ones.
Oh Amaleen, that is heartbreaking!
I was figuring they’d just say the investigation was continuing, nothing new to report, but not this time. I guess it’s good they’ve been found, but my mind doesn’t want to go toward how these two little girls died. I hope they catch who did it–maybe LE knows but needed them to be found?
LE had been saying all along they believed the girls were still alive. This was one of few missing person cases where I thought they were alive too. I assumed it was one of the drug dealers one of the fathers was going to testify against that abducted them. I hope you’re right Amaleen and now they can charge someone
In the missing cousins case, this is an interesting remark from the FBI:
“Cooperation with law enforcement is the key factor in discovering the whereabouts of Lyric and Elizabeth,” FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault said in July. “Unfortunately, in this case, law enforcement has not received total cooperation from all family and close friends,” she said.
Family and friends of the missing cousins not cooperating with LE? Gosh, what other family does this remind me of? Of course, defenders of the family say that family would say they cooperated to the max.
JohnP My father could most definetly donate his time and DJ equipment to Aylas Benefit. We would need to figure out how to get there? I am without a vehicle and so is he at this time.I know there may be an Angel willing to bring us down if need be say the word and I can start working on it! anything to help!
Ashley I am sending this information to Cynthia at LNM. I will ask her about transportation but if there is someone that can Ashley out please let us know! Aylas Team is again stepping up for Ayla!
Even though news or press conferences did not state if cadaver dogs got a positive hit, I do recall a neighbor blogging about the cadaver dog “barking like crazy” by the shed. Several neighbors witnessed it and watched them remove a pad lock from the shed in the back yard as it took place. I remember him commenting why they would have a pad lock on a shed that appeared to be falling down. I wonder what else these neighbors witnessed. Perhaps allot of movement between house and shed in the week prior to the 17th.
None of the neighbors could be considered “talky” in this case. A few dropped a sentence or two about something seen or heard, but not much which seemed to be of any great import.
A married couple down the street from the DiPietros were horrified about what happened and seemed a little confused that they, themselves, appeared to feel more than the family who had lost a child. I’ll try to find their quote. The way they seemed to talkl about the situation in contrast to what we heard from the DiPietros struck me as very sad.
I recall one neighbor not knowing that Ayla was even staying there. And then another neighbor saying she had heard Justin singing “Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star” with Ayla outside one day. Not a lot of comments from the neighbors, it seems.
Jenn and Penny, I recall the dogs being utilized and mentioned in articles very early on. The shed was falling down and that is one of the reasons in my theory above I state that evidence was stored over night in the shed/garage. I too recall mention of a lock on the shed and then the pictures of how delapitated the shed was? Why was there a lock on the shed, why was evidence collection done between the side door, garage door and shed.
I think Justin wouldn’t risk Phoebe or someone else finding Ayla in the garage, but I doubt if anyone went in that shed very often. Something caused LE to come back and rope off the shed after the house and garage had already been taped off.
Mama, if it is a one car garage from my memory, then Justins vehicle parked in the garage would cause Phoebe and Elisha to park in the driveway thus no-one goes into the garage. Just my thinking. Then after they leave the next moring, Justin is free to drive whereever he wants to.
Yea I guess that’s a possibility.
Was that shed big enough for a car, though? I seem to recall it looking like a tool shed. But perhaps I didn’t see a good photo of it.
Penny there is a garage and a shed.
The pictures I saw Penny, the shed is a storage shed that I don’t think you could fit a car in unless it is the Fisher Price toddler car that gets pushed from behind. I think the shed is big enough for a cooler and trash bag maybe but not much bigger. That is why I theorized that some items were stored in both the shed and the garage. And I am sorry but the shed is in shables and placing a lock on that shed is like putting a deadbolt on a screendoor, missing the screen.
It looks like an 8×8 shed to me.
Your theory is just as likely a possibility Mama. I like that we can discuss the different possibilities and help each other to understand while speaking of the single most important element of this entire tragedy, Where is Ayla Bell and what happened to her?
Usually cadaver dogs are trained to do something quiet to indicate a hit. The dog I saw in the press photos is trained to lay down slowly near the site of a hit. This dog does not bark. Usually search and rescue dogs bark alot if they sense a need or danger. But that doesn’t always mean they are a cadaver dog either
This is just speculation on my part but maybe it was a drug dog? There’s been a lot of talk about Justin dealing drugs but I’ve never seen it confirmed by anyone.
Could be MM. There were many different dogs used in Ayla’s case. LE had some and MESAR has some of their own. And their could have been more depending on if there were other private organizations or other LE departments on the ground. Some of the dogs in the pics I’ve seen picture in other cases. But there are only a few in the state that have specialized cadaver training.
Well “if” Justin had drugs at the time he called 911 he would’ve hid them where he thought LE was least likely to look. “If” Derek was involved with the drugs too, Justin might’ve called Derek before 911 to tell him the drugs were in the shed. Again this is just speculation on my part.
Never mind, I talked to Mr M who’s been there when they train drug dogs. They don’t bark either. Just the S&R bark, at least the way they’re trained in Ohio.
John,
I too believe they kept her their temporarily . The more information that comes out about Derek the more it makes since why HT would allow JD & family to stay at their home. Derek is more involved than just covering up with a make believe play date for his 10 month old son and Ayla.
In that case, Jenn, wouldn’t all the Tudelas be involved in being accessories after the fact? If HT is protecting her son from a dangerous involvement in covering up a crime, wouldn’t her husband and Derek’s wife also be involved in the guilty knowledge?
We’re getting into a lot of people knowing this terrible secret. The more people who know, the more dangerous it is for the perp. If they are all covering up for what was an accident…and usually people don’t cover up after an accident…then
they’re all still involved in a crime. If you include Lance, Elisha and Phoebe DiPietro and all the Tudelas in the number of people who may know what happened, there’s a crowd of people in the know and keeping quiet…so far.
I normally do not believe in this but came across a site SolarSpectrum where Julie H says” I think the Dipietro’s have friends close to them who have voulentered their property to hide evidence & that will be difficult for law enforcement to get a warrent to search. ” She goes on to say ” I believe Ayla is hidden in the home of one of the defacto suspects or near the home of someone very familiar to them. I believe fire was used to destroy evidence and lastly states she wouldn’t’ be surprised if Ayla’s car seat was found in the Kennebec River. This wad posted on 5/27/12 but when I read it back then it did not seem plausible that anyone would allow this. Somehow now Derek & the Tudele mansion come to mind.
I think both of your comments Jenn have marit. I am so hopeful that LE has already considered this and either recieved permission to search the property of the Manse or gotten warrents to do so.
If we are going to start listening to fortune tellers and soothsayers we might as well just invite Crazy Grace back and see what she has to say! For Pete’s sake!
400 psychic tips. 400. Not one of them brought this case any closer to being solved.
Just saying.
I so agree that psychic tips are worthless. I hope it doesn’t come to pass in time that if LE doesn’t follow up every one of them, convictions would be in jeopardy in court because the cops were close-minded and didn’t investigate other possibilities and suspects..
Penny, Hickory, I do not think that the psychic tip was the point of Jenn’s comment. I think it was more along the lines of the properties that the Tudelas own and therefore Derek would be familiar with. With that I do believe still that LE would want to be allowed to search those properties, not because the tip was from a psychic, but Derek is directly implicated in at least a cover-up if you are to believe, which I most definately do believe, that a call was made to Derek before the 911 call to report Ayla missing!
Sad to say but it’s almost that time were everyone needs to move on. It’s been over 6 months since any new information has come out. If the police had enough to arrest they would of but they don’t. And if they were to arrest without enough evidence and he is aqquited he couldnt be charged again. It’s possible that someone down the road will screw up and more information will come out. But that’s as liking as Justin getting dressed in the morning without the help of one of his mommies.
Time to face the music and accept that everyday there are murderers that get away with their crimes. Killing babies just makes it easier…
I really don’t agree at all with this sentiment. Giving up is when they win. Ayla still has people in her family that need closure and love and miss her. Giving up on Ayla and on them and moving on is not the thing to do!!!!! I’m confident that Maine State Police is building a case. Sometimes stuff like this takes more time. Just a month ago MSP had in their monthly report that they are searching over evidence, paperwork. And there was some other items mentioned. This is not over. And I’m not moving on!!!!
I agree Ruby I’m not moving on either!!! This isn’t over yet. I think this is the quiet before the storm.
No disrespect intended Matt, I agree with Ruby and Mama though, there is not a single reason in this world for me to move on until Ayla has her justice served to those responsible. Just because we do not hear press conferneces every week like before does not in my mind mean LE is not building more every day! This case will be solved and I will be right here applauding LE when it is solved.
Matt, I’m not moving on. I’m here for the duration and if there is nothing I can do that will help bring Ayla home at least i am here to let trista know that she is not alone.
The only thing that anyone NEEDS to do is gonna bring Ayla home to her mommy…
Matt- We will never move on! Ayla will never be swept underneath a rug! Ayla will have her justice…even if it takes 30 years. I will never give up on this and I will never, ever forget about Ayla. Her case may be slowing down with news articles, but that doesn’t mean that it is going to dry up and go cold. We don’t know what is going on behind LE’s closed doors, since the information that they have obtained..isn’t allowed to be known by the public. LE will not give up on Ayla either. Cases like this take time. Cases don’t get solved the same way they do on CSI.
How about you take your trolling ass and move on.
I read this article (http://bangordailynews.com/2012/12/02/news/state/mothers-grief-evolving-one-year-after-disappearance-of-ayla-reynolds/) a few times and don’t know how the hell I missed this…..
“Investigators have periodically performed searches of bridges and waterways around Waterville, but said those efforts have turned up nothing related to the case.”
We were told previously that the May 8th search items were not related (via Trista who was told by a detective) but it sounds like they’ve now determined that the items found April 25th have no relevance?
Dee I would agree if it was just that one line. Here is the whole paragrapgh containing that line.
Reynolds was reported missing on December 17, 2011, by her father, Justin DiPietro of Waterville. Police ruled out the possibility that Ayla was abducted early in the investigation and have said repeatedly that they believe DiPietro and others who were staying at the home last December know more about the case than they are telling detectives. In January, they announced that they’d found Ayla’s blood in DiPietro’s basement and in May, they said they no longer believed Ayla was alive. Investigators have periodically performed searches of bridges and waterways around Waterville, but said those efforts have turned up nothing related to the case.
Because they are listing a chronological sequence of events within the paragraph, I believe that the periodic searches that not yielded anything pertaining to Ayla’s case is a reference to the periodic searches that were announced after the May 31st announcement. I think we are still not positive about the April 25th find (it is still unverified by LE as was discussed in the poll question) in the river if we read the paragraph as a chronological sequence of events.
I see what you’re saying. Journalistic license. Like I said to MM below, it’s worded in a way that suggests it’s a quote from MSP, . I wish there would be a quote from McCausland whether or not those items are related. Or on anything at this point.
I agree with you and M Mama, an announcement of some type would be nice. I remember a feww days, maybe even a week ago, MM was saying she was sure LE would make an announcement either on the 15th the day of the Shining Hope Awareness event or on the 17th, the exact 1 year mark that MSP should be making a comment on that day. I hope they are working on the details now because I know several reporters who have many questions and we “Ayla’s Team” are not going to let this fade away without answers!
I think we will know much more when Angela Harry’s arranged interview with Justin DiPietro and Ben McCanna is published. (Sorry for the levity. Have we heard anything further on Justin-who-has-nothing-to hide DiPietro’s sit down with the Morning Sentinel or any other news agency?) Hey, Angela, thanks for all your efforts in getting this interview on the record! You are a gem!
I certainly do hope that we hear from LE on the one year mark even tho the probably do not have anything new to report it’s nice to know from them that they have not forgotten Ayla and that their resolve is strong.
Penny, I don’t think Justin has the “fortitude” to do an interview with anyone except his skirts. He can’t pull the wool over the eyes of the media or the public so he is content letting his skirts get torn apart for repeating his fairy tail comments.
We have a better chance of, like Chicky mentions, hoping for McCausland to give a formal statement with the current state at the one year mark. I hope you and Mama are right Chicky.
Dee that isn’t a quote from LE and if you go to the link within the statement it doesn’t say they said that. I’m not sure why the author said that but I don’t think LE would have done the many expensive, dangerous, frigid searches if they didn’t find something in there early in the investigation. I tend to believe the author is mistaken, I wish he had a direct quote from McCausland so it wouldn’t be so confusing.
I wish it were a direct quote too. I’m questioning because of the way it’s worded. The article makes it sound like that is the case and it is a quote, even though it is not directly attributed to anyone. Poorly worded.
I know if I was Trista I’d be calling MSP and asking “What’s up with that?”
And, John, I thought I read that the Tudelas have a hunting cabin, or perhaps two, which they rent out in the season.
I had a feeling this was intended for higher up and in ref to the warrants. I also remeber reading about it. So I do believe that if we all read about them, then LE did also. I am sure that the Tudelas would have allowed a consentual search of thier properties to eliminate that possibility and let LE focus on the “kidnapping” that the Tudela’s believe occurred.
It is easily understood that the Tudela’s have nothing o hide right? 
John, your eye-winker is stuck! Ha!
Sory about the regerence to the hunting cabins appearing in the wrong place. It was meant to go along with getting warrents to search habitats of DiPietro friends.
Please remember to mark your calendars for the upcoming Awareness events for Ayla Bell. There is the Shining Hope for Ayla in Portland on the eve of 15 December and the Peace for Ayla candlelight vigil and walk the evening of 17 Decemeber in Waterville.
Both events have been posted on the events tab of this site located at the top of this page. Please mark the date or dates on your calendars and then read over the fliers for details. If you are able, please support the awareness for Ayla by attending one or both of these events. Thank You for supporting awareness in any way possible. Ayla’s voice is still heard, and Ayla’s Team will not be silent.
I agree MM. Little Ayla deserves a Bright New Beginning. Those people sicken me. I can’t get here much since I don’t have the internet
anymore, and my phone is a pain to use. I pray there will be answers
soon. I know this is off topic, but was there any positive responses
from the insurance company about the investigation after the petition went out? I have not heard anything mentioned, but I have not been able to get
here much. Prayers and Justice for Ayla!
I will ask Purple Butterflies to provide any correction to this if there needs to be a correction, but the last I heard was that the petition was not responded to by SF. If they have taken actions to prevent this idiocy from occurring again, I have not heard of anything. Sorry MaryAnn, I wish I had something else to tell you but I do not.
As far as I know Maryann there has been no response whatsoever
But MaryAnn, Mountain Mama, I think the only on way for Ayla to have a Bright New Beginning if for LE and the AG to give Ayla Bell her justice, to give Trista answers and to allow Ayla the respect and the dignity she rightfully deserves. That would be a beginning, but not the solution by any means.
Speaking of State Farm. I got a job offer from State Farm. Cold call headhunter thing. I never applied. And I told them that I could never work for an company that alongs individuals to obtain or maintain licensing that are irresponsible. I mentioned the case and said that hopefully the family and the agent is thouroughly investigated and action is taken. Good day!
Good for you Ruby
I am proud of you too Ruby. You stood firm and let them know that Ayla Bell is more important than a few dollars. I am amazed that SF would not realize that Derek’s invovlement is much deeper than being JD’s BFF? I wonder if the investigation has already begun, or if they wait until a claim is filed before they investigate? Either way, the regulations governing the sale of a CLIP in Maine are highly inadequate and MUST BE rectified or this is not going to be the last time we are talking of missing children. Can Derek, after the phone call before 911, still be employeed as an insurance agent? It gives me the chills thinking of how many other friends have him on speed dial.
And also remember to light up Ayla’s Rooms brightly. Her rooms are not as bright as they should be right now but I know we will shine through for Ayla.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Ayla
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=ARAA
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=WIA
Thank you Mama for your submission. It has been posted for all to read and comment. I felt it coincided with the Poll #11 so I did not want to wait any longer to post it. Please feel free to comment on either post as this post is well over 200 comments and those on mobile devices are having difficulties. Keep Ayla’s voice heard.