United for AylaPoll question #12: Ayla’s broken arm.
I will post the results but they are pretty self-explanatory to me. I will let you make up your own mind!
With this new information about Derek receiving a call from Justin before the 911 call being mentioned on FaceBook and now verified by Trista, I believe Derek
1. Lied about the poker game and play-date
yes 89%
no 9%
no opinion 2%
2. Helped to clean-up evidence from the house on Violette Avenue
yes 62%
no 21%
no opinion 17%
3. Helped with the disposal of evidence after the clean-up
yes 66%
no 15%
no opinion 19%
4. is responsible for harming Ayla.
yes 76%
no 11%
no opinion 13%
5. sold the Life Insurance Policies (both Ayla’s and Justin’s) for reasons that were less than legitimate.
yes 2%
no 83%
no opinion 15%
6. had no involvement
because the call before the 911 call was simply Justin asking if Ayla was with Derek 6%
because the call before the 911 call is a red herring and just friends talking 8%
because Ayla is still alive 4%
no opinion ( I do believe Derek had involvement in some way ) 82%
This poll question is regarding the broken arm incident. I will not call it an accident as in my opinion it was in no way an accident. You may, as you read, decide that an accident did occur, in which case I apologize in advance. I have posted my personal comments in italicised print.
In this Morning Sentinel article, Justin is quoted “That was completely accidental,” DiPietro said of Ayla’s injury. “I would never harm my daughter.”
But Justin, did you not admit to Trista that you injured her leg while rough-housing with her.
DiPietro, 24, said the accident occurred on a rainy night in November, but he’s unsure of the exact date.
“I came up the stairs and slipped. It happened so fast, I don’t know exactly how I fell on her, but I fell on her,” he said. “It’s burned into my brain.”
Let me help you out Justin, since it is not burned quite so clearly as you thought, the medical records below show the night would have been November 11th. And if this was completely “accidental” as you say, why hasn’t Elisha made a verifying comment of the accident. According to Phoebe, Elisha was there in the living room with her when it all happened.
The next day, DiPietro left to attend a commercial driver’s license course at Lawrence Adult Education in Fairfield. Before he left the driveway, however, Phoebe DiPietro called him back in into the house.
“When I came in, she showed me Ayla’s hand and it was swollen,” he said.
Ayla wasn’t crying, Phoebe DiPietro said. So, the family weighed a decision.
“It was my last class,” Justin DiPietro said. “I paid a fairly good amount of money for that.” DiPietro considered skipping class, but his mother advised against it.
Well I have another question, this link says
Classroom time: Tuesdays/Thursdays, 6:00-9:00 p.m., 16 sessions starting Sept. 6
Driving: Must be available on Saturdays. Some weekday and evening time may also be available.
Fee: $450
Okay, that is 8 weeks starting September 6, 2011 ending on a Thursday. That means the class would have ended October 27th which is a Thursday. But according to the ER Records, November 12th is a Saturday. This happens to be 16 days from the last scheduled CDL class. So if the “accident occurred the night before (26 Oct) and the medical professionals saw her on 12 Nov, why is there 16 full days between the “accident” and seeking medical treatment?
“They just put a splint on there with an Ace bandage. She didn’t even have a cast or a sling or anything like that.”
I thought when she was reported missing, that she was wearing a soft-cast, ace bandage and sling for her broken arm? So which was it Justin, did she have a sling or not as reported when her missing child’s poster was distributed?
“The class, the money, that wouldn’t have mattered to me,” he said.
If the money was second consideration to Ayla’s injury, why do you mention it so often in this interview?
Since Phoebe advised against Justin skipping his last CDL class to take Ayla in for treatment, I thought I would include a few other quotes from the same article.
“I was sitting in the living room with my daughter, and we heard a big thump,” she recalled Thursday. “I immediately went to the kitchen and Ayla was scared, obviously. I picked her up.”
“I was more worried about (Justin’s) wrist, because he’s broken it into 39 pieces (in a snowboard accident),” she said.
Ayla was scared, but you were MORE worried about Justin’s wrist? Are you seriously saying this Phoebe? What the hell is wrong with you? As a grandparent myself, my son’s prior injuries are always second fiddle to my grandchildren even scraping a knee while learning to crawl. And if it is an accident, my sons are old enough to take care of themselves. Just like they are old enough to make a baby, they are old enough to make decisions for themselves too. But then again, you do control every aspect of this “family” don’t you?
But Phoebe, according to this link, the accident occurred “outside the side-door.
Her grandmother says Ayla’s arm was injured during an accidental fall. At the time, she says her son was coming home with Ayla. DiPietro says she heard a thud at the back door.
It was dark at the time, and she says her son had slipped on the stairs outside the side door and fell with Ayla in his arms. DiPietro ran to help them both. The youngster was crying but didn’t immediately appear injured. The next morning, one of her hands swelled and she was taken to an emergency room for treatment.
So I guess Justin has learned how to “clarify” events from his mother. I would assume Phoebe is very proud to have taught her son this life lesson so well.
This is a link to Emeralds depiction of the believed floor plan of the house. So according to this, as Justin would have entered the side door of the house, he would have had to make a left and go up 2-3 steps into the kitchen where he “slipped on the wet floor and fell on Ayla”.
Here is the Doctors report of Ayla’s broken arm.
In this report it says that “This is a 19-month-old girl who was being carried by her father last night, and he tripped and fell in the dark, and the grandmother found them both on the floor.
So was it that he slipped on a wet floor or that he tripped on something, and fell on Ayla.
Here is the link to Trista’s timeline with additional doctor notes and follow-up reports.
Then, in this discussion on Justice for Ayla, there was mention by individuals in the medical profession and by commentators of bruising under the arm and above the elbow. So how does localized bruising of this nature and location occur. It is my opinion that the fracture above the elbow, with localized bruising inside and above the elbow, can only be caused by a violent upward motion while scolding a child.
So the question I want to ask you is two-fold:
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Why do you keep bringing this up? Trista attended both doctor visits with Justin. She heard his excuse or story of how Ayla was injured MULTIPLE times. She knows exactly what happened. And what Justin has SAID happened. Why are you asking us? Or even Justin? ASK TRISTA. If he was constantly changing his story back then, WHY DIDN’T TRISTA TAKE AYLA AWAY RIGHT THEN?
Hickory Trista said Justin wouldn’t let her take Ayla home from the doctor’s office.
November 14th, 2011 approx. 10am: Justin picked Trista up at Jessica’s in Lewiston and drove her
and Ayla to an Orthopedic Doctor in Portland. After the examination Trista asked Justin if Ayla could
spend the night with her and was told she was not allowed to have her. When asked why Justin
replied,” Because I’m not going to have you telling me what to do”.
http://united4ayla.com/wp-content/uploads/files/Answers%20For%20Ayla_%20Timeline.pdf
What does that have to do with anything? She was in the doctors office with Justin while he lied to the doctor. If his story was changing, she could have spoke up and DEMANDED the doctor call CPS immediately. I would NOT have left that doctor’s office without my daughter, especially if her father were changing his story.
Hickory I don’t think Trista thought she could legally take Ayla from Justin. I also think she wouldn’t have wanted to get into a physical fight with Justin and risk Ayla possibly getting another arm broken or worse.
What? She thought Justin might hit her in front of the doctor? Is that the excuse you are giving me? Bullshit! I would have called the police right then and let them decide. It would have been the perfect time, with many witnesses to his lies! Don’t give me that she was afraid for Ayla bullshit either, because that is more reason to call CPS while at the doctors office. It certainly would have been during their office hours wouldn’t it? Remember, this was after rehab, not before. Why wasn’t her head clear enough to figure this shit out?
Also, John is trying to insinuate that Ayla’s arm was broken for two weeks before she was given medical treatment. If the class ended on Oct. 26, that would have been right around the time Trista was getting the run around by DHHS regarding Justin returning Ayla, to which she eventually agreed provided she had regular visits. I would imagine that would have been around Oct. 26. Are you telling me that after she agreed to regular visits, she didn’t see her daughter until November 14, for her first ortho doctor’s appointment? Because I thought she visited with Ayla on November 3? Wouldn’t she have noticed if Ayla were injured?
WTF?????
Hickory you’re just being disagreeable. John did not say Ayla’s arm was broken in October, he pointed out the discrepancies in the dates of the ER visit and Justin’s CDL classes.
Just wondering why it’s more important that we ask why Trista didn’t take Ayla away, and less important that Justin actually did something. Why all the covering for JD? Why is everything he did or did not do Trista’s fault, and nothing is his fault? This is getting old.
I’m sorry, I thought this was Trista’s blog? After all, she asked Tori to step down, didn’t she?
If this is her blog, then she is the one bringing this stuff up, and asking about Justin’s actions. Why can’t we ask about her own? Is she saying that Justin told the same story to her until after Ayla’s disappearance, and she is just now figuring it out? Or that Justin was telling different stories back then AND SHE DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. If she was frightened for Ayla’s well being, WHY DID SHE LEAVE AYLA WITH JUSTIN? WHY DIDN’T SHE CALL CPS HERSELF TO REPORT HIS CHANGING STORIES?
That is all I am asking.
This is part of a comment CG made back in April. I’m reposting it here because CG said perfectly what I couldn’t put into words.
“If Trista had never seen an illegal substance or glass of alcohol in her life, Ayla would have been in danger by virtue of her father’s existence. I admire Trista’s efforts to involve Justin in Ayla’s life despite her misgivings, putting Ayla’s interest in having a father, however imperfect, above her own feelings. That’s hard to do and especially hard when there are unsubstantiated suspicions of abuse. All the talk about how she could have denied him access because of her suspicions ignores not only Ayla’s interests but the law and Justin’s ability to use it against her. Trista took the correct approach in reporting her suspicions and it appears DHHS dropped the ball.
Those who said Trista should have shown up at the DiPietros and taken Ayla over Justin’s protests ignore both the power difference between a grown man and woman and the devastating effect the almost inevitable fight would have had on Ayla, putting the baby in both physical and emotional jeopardy. Trista chose the reasonable course in filing a court petition. The system failed, not Ayla’s mother.”
And all I’m asking is why some of you prefer to blame everyone except the father. I am a pretty basic a logical person. I just want to know what this blanket free pass is all about. You think he didn’t do anything…well fine. Based on?? The arguement that Trista DID do something seems to be solely based on her not removing AYla from her harmful father. Well now there’s a character reference he could probably do without. Just wish I could understand on any level, why some very basic things are not being demanded of Justin by the people who are offering their unconditional support. Others have required that of Trsita.
WTH Hickory! Read your Comment and then check the dates of what you are saying.
Why do you keep bringing this up? (Because Ayla needs answer and justice and I will not forget anything nor will I stop discussing it for any reason) Trista attended both doctor visits with Justin (Those appts were dated 14 and 21 Nov. right). She heard his excuse or story of how Ayla was injured MULTIPLE times (Twice on the 14th and 21, She did not know what was told to the ER on the 12th until after the medical records were retrived which was well after Ayla “disappeared”). She knows exactly what happened (According to what Justin told her on the 14th and 21st of Nov). And what Justin has SAID happened. Why are you asking us? (I am asking you to create conversation that is pertinent to Ayla and her case.) Or even Justin? (Justin hasn’t spoken her name since April 19th, what makes you think he will take 2 minutes out of his busy life to answer my question) ASK TRISTA. If he was constantly changing his story (You mean the changing story that was burn into his mind a related to the media on Jan 7th, or the recollection of Phoebe where it happened outside as she stated on Jan 8?) back then, WHY DIDN’T TRISTA TAKE AYLA AWAY RIGHT THEN (She tried but obviously it didn’t matter, Mama postd her reply and you wont accept that because she said it? If she said it so you can taccept it then why would you want me to “ASK TRISTA”?)
Check out the dates of the changing story.
The ER Sory was Nov 12th which Trista did not know about until she retrieved the ER Reports well after Ayla disappeared.
The story Trista heard on the 14th & 21st was the only story she had heard at that point.
The changing story happened when Justin recounted what was “burned into his brain” on Jan 7.
Phoebe quoted her fairtale recollection of events on CNN on 8 Jan according to the article linked above.
So how the hell are you going to accuse Trista of not taking Ayla for changing stories? As Mama points out Trista did try to take Ayla!
The appointments you are refernecing happened well before the attempt to sway public opinion!
Your comment is achieving nothing more then trying to point a finger at Trista, once again, when it is admitted that Justin was responsible for Ayla’s care when her arm broke.
And once again, this topic is being discussed to ensure that people keep talking about Ayla. God forbid, if I am still hear a year from now, I promise I will post this article again. Maybe the LIP, maybe the phone call before the 911 call, but I will still be talking with anyone else that is here with me weather it is a topic discussed 1, 2, or 30 times before.
John says:
“And once again, this topic is being discussed to ensure that people keep talking about Ayla. God forbid, if I am still hear a year from now, I promise I will post this article again. Maybe the LIP, maybe the phone call before the 911 call, but I will still be talking with anyone else that is here with me weather it is a topic discussed 1, 2, or 30 times before.”
I’ll be here for Ayla!!!
Thank you Mountain Mama! I know that most only want Ayla brought Justice and Answers, but unfortunately there is always one who will distract from the single most important person in the entire tragdy, Ayla Bell “Buggie” Reynolds!
Just because someone says something…doesn’t always mean that it is true.
I guess if I said, that I saw a witch fly past the moon… that it must have happened.
Or what if I said…that I own a hover-board… I guess since I told you that I have one. That I must be telling the truth.
I personally think that Justin is full of crapola!!!
But thanks for trolling the board.
Well hickory, I don’t expect anything less. I’ve been around long enuff to smell what ur cooking
Trista went to rehab. She left Ayla in the care of her donor. That’s all he is in my eyes.
When discussing what Trista should have done, or didn’t do, can we please try to include the fact, as MM stated that CG initially said, that Trista wanted Ayla to have a relationship with Justin. And haven’t we seen how easily Justin could manipulate Trista? Perhaps Trista did want Ayla and herself and Justin to be a family. Could Justin have given Trista this idea for purposes of getting control of Ayla? Trista wasn’t in a very good place when Justin took Ayla. I’m not sure how capable she was of figuring him out. After the arm accident, would Trista have wanted to rock Justin’s boat, if indeed, she thought they could be a family? Would she have wanted to think he could do anything to harm Ayla? And in what kind of a situation did she find herself when she asked to take Ayla back? Certainly to all those in authority, she looked the least desirable at that moment to care for Ayla, and she knew it. Who was likely to take her word over Justin and his mommy seeing that they appeared to have an “in” with those who are supposed to oversee the protection of children?
This isn’t Trista’s blog. This is a blog that her dad or step-dad had made for Ayla.
I also agree that Trista didn’t have the knowledge that she could take Ayla back from Justin. They both had the same amount of rights, since by the sounds of it…neither one of them had a parenting agreement or stipulation set in place.
I think not having a legal document in place…regarding Ayla, was a bad move.
She didn’t need to tell DHS who Ayla’s father is either. Trista could have just said that she doesn’t know who is Ayla’s dad. That is just what I would have done…if I were in Trista’s possession at the time.
You also have to remember that Trista left Ayla, with her sister. Justin was not her first choice…when it came to the care of Ayla. Justin went to Trista’s sister’s house to get Ayla “back.” This is what I had read in an article that he went to get her *back*…which doesn’t make sense. He never had her in the beginning…so how can he get her *back*?
The change in the story about the arm…didn’t happen until after Ayla had disappeared. First, he slipped in the non-existent rain. He then tripped and fell…
I don’t think that Justin slipped or tripped on some stairs. I think he grabbed Ayla’s arm a little to hard and snapped her bone. The break was above the elbow…
I am starting to think that Hickory is either Angela, Heidi, Courtney or Elisha. They’re the ones who fall for everything Justin says. Justin is their G-d.
Slotsky, I agree with your entire comment. This blog belongs to Ayla and the people who love her and want her to remain in the spotlight rather than fading into oscurity.
The date of the accident is still in my eyes open for discussion since so much of the article writen when JD relayed what was burned into his mind revolves around the CDL class. Which according to the school ended 16 days before Ayla was brought to the ER.
Also the descriptions of the break, and the location clearly indicate to me it was as you stated a scolding where Ayla was lifted upward and quickly causing the break in a scolding or rage.
Hickory could be anyone under the sun for all I care, but these comments are absolutely uncalled for, based on misinformation and lack of understanding, designed to distract from the true intent of this post which is to keep Ayla in the spotlight.
Position* crap….stupid spell check.
Hickory,
It’s 5 o’clock somewhere, eh?
Sorry, John, I know you don’t like to be OT of Ayla, but I do not want to be bashing her mourning mother, either. I don’t think Ayla would approve. I know I don’t.
BMAT, thank you for your recognition of Trista’s mourning and taking Ayla into account and her consideration.
I think you all are putting together a very viable timeline and “story”. Hickory is just stirring the pot and trying to throw in red herrings. I think that John has totally presented a very viable scenerio which makes perfect sense to me. I do drop in and read, just not posting. Still in court with my neighbors They keep causing delays and now the judge has bumped us to ANOTHER town. I will be dead by the time this is over. Did I tell you that “golden boy” broke/injured his previosly broken leg and may not get ot be their “stud runnig back” any more? My pastor said that God works in mysterious ways. The only good thing is that I don’t have to listen to that booming bass rumbling through my house while he works out. I read something very interesting “Desperation leads to diversion”. My neighbors are masters of taking things down the primrose path. Hickory is doing the same thing.
Ginas, I am sorry you are going through so much with your case. But I think your quote, “Desperation leads to diversion” is so very much on point with this case and with Hickory’s uninformed distractions.
Well now that the distractions have stopped, I voted A, the fracture occurred on November 11 and C I haven’t formed an opinion on whether it was an accident. The “fall” story has too many versions for me to believe it but I hate thinking of the other theory. I will probably change my second vote after more opinions have been shared.
http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/events-to-mark-1st-anniversary-of-ayla-missing_2012-12-10.html
Thank you once again Ben for bringing this into the public eye. Both upcoming events as well as the MSP Update are all mentioned in this article. You are a mentor for us all Ben, and we will try to emulate your lead and keep Ayla’s name in the spotlight.
Cynthia, Trista, Ashley, Glenda, THANK YOU ALL! Sponsoring these awareness events for Ayla is simply priceless and amazing.
In the article listed above, notice this:
Someday this week, Ayla’s now-familiar face will appear on a large sign on Kennedy Memorial Drive in Waterville. Chris Gaunce, general manager of Central Maine Motors Chevrolet and Buick said the company will hang a 4-foot-by-8-foot billboard on its building, where it will be visible to motorists.
Gaunce was asked by LostNMissing to hang the sign, which had been hanging in the Boston area.
“With the one-year anniversary coming up, we just thought it was the right thing to do,” he said. “We can’t lose sight of the tragedy that occurred. We have to remember these things so we can find the answers and the justice that we need.”
Caron said signs and posters for Ayla are still necessary.
“Until clear-cut evidence proves that Ayla is no longer here, it is very important for people to recognize that this baby is missing and if you have any information on why, how, where or when, please come forward. Her family needs closure,” Caron said.
Now we know the that Ayla’s face will be seen daily and will not be torn down!
Thank you Cynthia and Trista for making this happen!
Wow ! Someone had a hair across their butt tonight ! My answer to the question of, “Why bring it up again?”, is, We will bring up what we want, when we want, and as many times as we want and will never stop asking the question of justin,
“Where is Ayla?” !!!!!
Amen to that Chicky! And I agree, “Where is Ayla, Justin”?
So phoebe wanted justin to head on out and advised him to do so. Ayla should have been taken to the ER as soon as this happened.maybe Ayla was harmed once again, and phoebes advice was to not seek treatment, ( fear of abuse charges) and maybe that was why each time Trista tried to make contact with Ayla she was turned away without so much as a quick hello on the phone, and Ayla did not survive this injury..
That’s been my position all along. She wasn’t allowed to talk to/see Ayla because Ayla was in no condition to be seen….It would’ve been obvious she was being abused and the Dips couldn’t have staged the kidnapping tale.
Remember that the arm story is being TOLD after Ayla’s disappearance. My belief is that the description is a parallel lie and he is importing details from the day of her fatal injury into the broken arm story.
Given the nature of the break and his inconsistent stories about it, I don’t doubt for a minute it was abuse.
The timing I am less sure of- if the injury was weeks old, wouldn’t that have shown up on the x-ray? There is so much wrong with the stories he tells and so many ways they appear not to be true, but sorting out what happened is extraordinarily difficult.
I too am unsure of the timing CG. But I recall the doctors report at the ER saying they do not deal with Pediatrics and I have no idea what all the medical terms mean in the follow-up reports. I am totally unsure how to vote with the date, even though I wrote the story. And I also find it amazing that in his story he states all the doctors did was
“They just put a splint on there with an Ace bandage. She didn’t even have a cast or a sling or anything like that.”
So is this another parellel lie since we know from LE that she was reported missing with the sling? Or was this a parrellel lie from before she had the sling? I have to say that thier attempts to confuse the facts are falling on deaf ears. We will continue asking who, what, where, why, when and how! Justin you are not folling us, maybe your skirts can be blinded, but not us and not Justice!
Both times my son broke his arm and then wrist the er only wraped him in an ace bandage and gave him a sling….then they give u a follow up with an orthpedic surgeon they only wrap it in ace bandage cuz they said that the swelling needs to Down before a reg cast can go on
CG I too have wondered if Justin was parallel lying regarding the broken arm and fatal injury. Anything he told the different doctors wouldn’t be as this was told before Ayla went missing, but anything he said in interviews that differs from what he told the doctors IMO could very well be associated with the fatal injury.
I also think the xrays would’ve shown how recent the fracture was give or take a few days.
What I’m wondering is where the CDL class comes into the picture. Is it possible Ayla had a different accident at that time and they got the accidents mixed up, otherwise why say he had the class when it could be easily proven the classes were over? I’ll have to go back and read to see if they mentioned the class at the ER but I don’t think they did.
It was confirmed today that the two bodies that were found in the woods last week in Iowa. Are the bodies of the two missing cousins. http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/12/10/bodies-found-hunters-identified-missing-iowa-cousins
I hope that these girls will have justice.
CG, yes, I think they would be able to tell from an x-ray approximately how old the injury was but unsure if they would be able to tell a day or two from a week.
That is a great point Chicky and CG, and that is why i am so confused on when it occured. Right now I am leaning towards closer to the 11th but before that day. I would think the xrays would have shown healing, but maybe a person with a knowledge in medi-talk can review the records and see if anything is mentioned?
Quick question though, with the lies being told of the arm, and the events of what I consider abuse both before and after, can MSP file charges for child abuse, negligence in seeking treatment immediately, and hindering, all without double jeopardy if they are responsible for harming Ayla? I wish that JD was charged with something and had his “great life” as described by Selena interrupted.
I voted “A” on the first question, that the fracture occurred 11/11. Objectively, had Ayla’s fracture happened several weeks earlier this would be noticeable on an x-ray to at least the radiologist. If you read her records you’ll notice that in between the ER visit on 11/12 and the follow up visit on 11/21 the orthopedist felt that she had basically healed and noted callus formation on the x-ray. So I think her injury was fairly close to the stated date.
The question of whether or not the fracture was accidental or not is something that I still am unsure of. It’s easy to simply assume that the fracture was of an abusive nature and the abuse escalated which ultimately resulted in Ayla’s death.
However, if you look up this type of fracture in Ayla’s age group–2 things. First, the typical abusive fracture of humerus is usually a spiral fracture which occurs from a twisting/wrenching motion. I read that the type of fracture Ayla had could be sustained from falling from a height of at least 3 feet. So, if JD was holding Ayla on his left hip–bags in the right, tripped and fell–Ayla would have landed onto her left arm from about 3 feet. So, in my mind, that sounds like a plausible scenario. However I read an article that said that 3/10 of these types of fractures can be due to abuse–which then clouds the decision further.
The interesting thing is that Ayla was seen by 3 different doctors and one would think that at some point if they felt the nature of the fracture was sketchy, a report to DHHS would have been made. There wasn’t anything in the reports to indicate this happened. Nor did Ayla have a skeletal survey while in the ER (entire body basically x-rayed to look for other older fractures). Were they all wrong? Possibly, lots of abuse slips by every day. But delay in care is always a red flag to consider abuse as well.
So after reading everything I’m not sure one way or the other but I do think the injury was the result of a neglectful action on the part of JD. And I think he was involved in her disappearance after considering many different angles and reading all the articles. Poor baby Ayla, I pray there is resolution and justice soon.
If PD was so concerned about JD missing his last class why coulden’t she take Ayla for an xray and treatment. I’m sure if it was Gabby, she would not hesitate. She us no grandmother. Her lack of empathy and love for Ayla showed by not getting her help when she was obviously in pain. I’m sure she had them up many of sleepless nightrying to get comfortable. Poor angel.
Ayla must have been doing fine and all healed and feeling A-OK by the night of the 16th/17th. The DiPietros and Courtney were so satisfied with Ayla’s progress none of those in the house felt the need to peek in and see how she was doing, maybe straighten her blankets, feel her forehead, just see if she was still there… for 10-12 hours…depending on what story you believe.
Put to bed at 8:00… or was it 10:00? Well, anyway,no one at the house was worried about her condition or how she was sleeping, or if her cast and sling were still functioning properly, or if she needed any soothing and comfort.
Oh, well, Justin’s skirts think this is normal. None of them check up on their children for 10-12 hours when said children are recooperating from an illmess or a broken arm.
Indeed, poor baby Ayla!
HD the DAYCARE PROVIDER is perfectly ok that no one checked on Ayla for 10-12 hours. Poor Ayla was in a strange house, in a strange room, a strange bed and basically with strangers. She must’ve recently been switched from a crib to a bed, had a cast/sling on her arm, was all alone while the other kids were snuggled up to their mom’s. How does ANYONE think that’s ok? Much less a DAYCARE PROVIDER!!
More like a daycare enabler for Justin and Derek! If my grandchildren were to go that long without being checked on, my kids would get thier asses kicked, I dont care how old they are, how big the are or how messed up they are, that is a asswhoopin’ waiting to happen. Apparently both of Justin’s mommies think it is fine to let a child with a broken arm go 10-12 hours unchecked. I have to call PURE BS on that one!
Yep, John, since Ayla wasn’t even there that
night not a soul needed to check on her! (IMO)
Very good question Jenn, when my grandbaby got a bug bite in the yard, I simply had to show her medical card to get her seen at the ER. If any invassive medical treatments were needed then mom or dad would have to approve that unless I have a specific power of attourney or something of that nature. X-Rays, as far as I know, are non-invassive. She should have taken Ayla herself if the $450 dollars was more important for the class than getting Ayla medical treatment.
Poor Baby Ayla!
http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/224430/2/Anniversary-of-Ayla-Reynolds-disappearance-approaches
I missed this Portland stations rather extensive story of Ayla’s anniversary coming up. Trista shows the things of Ayla’s she’s kept. Trista affirms that Ayla is still with her in her heart and memories. She also states that she doesn’t think LE would have said it was unlikely Ayla was alive unless they felt strongly about it.
But she says she can’t give up hope that Ayla will come back to her. It’s so cruel to keep a mother in such limbo.
This was a great video. Thank you Penny.
Thank you Penny, I also missed this video before, but this passage is what really gets to me the most about this interview.
Reynolds said, “Everyone keeps saying I’m being hard on myself and I have to stop, but there’s always going to be this one part of me that’s going to blame myself, beat myself up and just hate myself for everything that’s happened.”
Ayla’s mom openly blames herself even though she fought to get Ayla back! She was not there when Ayla disappeared! Ayla’s blood was not found in her basement! Now I understand that mother’s love runs deep for her daughter and Trista will always have these feelings, but I pray that some day she will be able to control these feelings without crying every time she has them!
But if this sorry excuse for a donor that fancies himself God’s Gift to the world would show even a drop of concern and love for this angel that Trista does, maybe Ayla could be brought home. Get off your friggin pedestal Justin, join the rest of the world that know you are worthles example of a human being much less a father, and tell us “Where is Ayla?”
I agree Chicky and John. It speaks volumes about Trista’s character when you consider how thoroughly Trista was bashed after her last interview. Trista’s love for Ayla and her driving need for answers and justice for Ayla has given her the strength and courage to go to bat for her daughter regardless what anyone says about her.
And then there’s Justin…….
Well Thank you too Mama. All the media outlets you contacted with the awareness event and Chicky contacted with the awareness is one of the reasons the media will not forget to speak out For Ayla. It is truely Ayla’s Team that is keeping Ayla in the spotlight and I thank you all from those that mail, e-amil and call, to those that sponsor events, create fliers and posters for the events and to those that support Ayla daily with your comments, suggestions and encouragements. You are all Rock Stars for Ayla!
It is wonderfull that all of the news stations are keeping Aylas name out there and that Trista speaks out for her daughter.
Yes it is Chicky, and it is in both print and on TV. I even heard that my BIL heard it on the radio in Maine.
Thank you Chicky for spreading the word!
Are you still looking for a ride to the Portland Shining Hope for Ayla Event? If so, anyone attending from north of Waterville with an available seat for Chicky, please let us know and I will connect the 2 of you via e-mails of the blog so no-ones private information is posted. Please help if possible, Ayla needs as many voices as possible at both events this upcoming week.
Yes, John, I am still looking for a ride and thank you for mentioning it again.
I have a theory about the changing stories regarding Ayla’s broken arm and how Justin’s CDL classes could have tied in with it. IDK how likely or unlikely it is but I’m interested in anyone’s opinion.
As I said earlier, because the X-rays would show the approximate time the fracture occurred I think the injury happened on either 11/10 or 11/11. We all know the last CDL class was at least two weeks before this. Why would Justin bring the CDL classes into it when you can easily find out when the classes ended? Here’s what I think may have happened.
On the night before Justin’s last class I think Justin did fall carrying groceries in while carrying Ayla. I think Ayla was scared but wasn’t really hurt in the fall so Phoebe picked up Ayla and when she didn’t appear to be hurt, Phoebe’s concern was for Justin’s previously injured wrist.
Sometime on 11/10 or 11/11 I think Justin jerked Ayla by her arm and broke it. The next morning Phoebe noticed Ayla’s bruised and swollen arm and asked Justin what happened. Since Justin didn’t intend to break Ayla’s arm I think he would say it was an accident even if it happened in anger.
Phoebe and Justin know Ayla has to go to the ER but they have to come up with a story of an accident to tell the ER doctor and nurses. They decide to tell the “fall story” because the only thing they have to change or “make up” is the time it happened. When I read the ER records I found no mention of the CDL classes.
The CDL classes are only mentioned later in the interviews. I think during the interviews Justin was remembering the “real fall” and the last day of class slipped into his language. I think the fall was burned into his brain because Justin was scared and was trying to protect his wrist when he fell.
I think when Justin told Trista how Ayla screamed he was remembering when her arm was really broken and the reason Phoebe just said Ayla cried was because Phoebe wasn’t there when Ayla’s arm was broken.
To any DiPietro supporters who want to say I’m making up stories and accusing Justin and Phoebe, I am ONLY speculating and Justin or Phoebe could’ve explained the discrepancies at any time but they’ve chosen not to.
Mama, I think this is a classic example of parellel lying that you have described. And to me it makes perfect sense. But Chicky I think is also right in that the angry jerk is burned into his mind, and not the fall from days or weeks before. If it was the fall, then the story would not have changed. The only thing that did not change was the break was because of him. Other than that virtually every piece of information has changed including weather or not she was put in a sling! You both have outstanding points.
Thank you mama, I hope more will respond to this theory as it making a lot of logical sense.
But John from everything I’ve read, Justin’s story about the fall didn’t change. Phoebe is the one who changed her story about the fall. Phoebe’s the one who told the ER doctor she found them on the floor, then she said in the interview that Justin fell outside the side door. Maybe it wasn’t burned into Phoebe’s brain too.
Very true Mama, there are so many stories “floating” around that it is hard to keep track of who said what at times!
Justin’s story is apparently inconsistent with irrefutable facts. His story as to the soft-cast and sling changed; apparently, as he was the one who told the newspaper there was only an ace bandage and splint and no cast or sling yet reported her missing in a cast and sling. He says her forearm was injured and her hand swollen when the medical records say it was her humerus and elbow that were injured and her hand was fine. He says the ER visit was the last day of his truck driving class. He says it was raining the night before he took her to the ER when the weather report says it was dry.
CG I agree Justin changed many aspects of the broken arm story I was only referring to the fall by itself. I don’t think we can believe anything Justin or Phoebe says. Trying to follow their stories is like trying to follow a road map where the name of a street changes every 50 feet or you get lost on a detour. I hope LE has been able to find their way through the maze.
The discrepencies (lies) you point out CG are all documented as you say. I wonder if LE can now use these lies to convict him of hindering or misleading an investigation. Anything to get him off the streets and into a life of solitude which is so deserved for his complete disregard towards Ayla Bell!
Oh, he won’t be in solitude John, he will have many guys who want to be his friends, with benifits.
I am not very nice today!
I hope you are right Chicky, the only solitude he should have is from his skirts! That way where he is going he can wear the skirt. I guess I am not in a good mode today either!
Mama, I think that what was burned into his brain was not the fall ( on that earlier date) but the moment that he actually broke Aylas’ arm in rage.
You could be right Chicky I just think that Justin is more concerned with his needs and protecting himself than he is with protecting Ayla or her needs.
I also wonder about Justin’s choice of words…”burned into my brain”….”I smoked it”.
MM, that could be very horrifyingly telling. perhaps referencing what was done with the evidence.
Once again CG you put it into words better than I can, I couldn’t say what I was thinking
And I remember he pleaded to (un-named ) person to just drop (her) off at a church or school (somewhere safe) ……odd choice of locations, given that he never mentioned the police staion, hospital, nor his best buddies over at State Farm Insurance nor the daycare center..nor his fave ( Chuck E, Cheese in Portland ) you guys know the place…the one with NO BALL PIT ? ,
With all the importance put on Justin not miss
ing his last class , is he even driving a truck now??? Must have been really important to him. Justice for Ayla. We will not give up on you or fighting for the truth.
I wonder if Justin even passed his classes….
For some reason…I doubt that he is driving a truck.
Okay, I finally placed my vote for C on question #1 Before 11 November, but closer to 10 November than 26 October and then B a violent scolding motion for question #2. I think Mama, CG, Chicky and few others are right about the parelle lie. I just think that it was not 11 Nov when it happened. I am thinking around the 7th or 8th. The 11th would have been his night with CR and obviously, that night would not involve Ayla. I would think it was a night that Ayla would have been with a babysitter or under the care of Elisha. Justin was and is too concerned with quality time with one of his girlfriends to be concerned with quality time with Ayla! (Subject to change though)
http://www.necn.com/12/11/12/Almost-1-year-later-and-still-no-trace-o/landing.html?blockID=812613&feedID=11106
http://www.onlinesentinel.com/community/STILL-LIFE-Ayla-appeal.html
God forbid anyone try to take this banner down.
I hope there’s a security camera close by since some of Ayla’s flyers have mysteriously been removed
Is it just me or does everyone else think this BS has gone on long enough? These people have had a year to tell the truth about Ayla! These despicable, sneaky, cowardly, selfish, mean, soulless creatures are still hiding where Ayla is after a year! Enough already! When are you scum of the earth gonna talk?
WHERE IS AYLA??????????????
Let em have it Mama, I am just as fed up with these cowards silence! Only problem is I am trying to maintain my composure right now.
I’m tired of maintaining mine John. I want to heat up their comfort zone and disrupt their normal lives! They destroyed Ayla’s life and are concealing her death, I want to make everyday of their lives miserable until they tell where Ayla is and then I want them to be punished to the fullest extent the law will allow. I can’t believe these low life monsters are getting away with this!
I am very angry too and have been since the beginning of Ayla’s story. But someday one of them will weaken. Emotionally
and physically they will wear down. Their already inhumane
personality traits will dwindle even more. Their behaviors will
change in ways they can’t even imagine. You can’t bury
secrets without psychological damage. The more they try to shrug it off and
bury this into their sub-conscious the more difficult it will
get for them. They will become physically ill, depressed, and
experience high anxiety. Can you imaginge living everyday of
your life wondering when the surprise knock on the door
will come, and….if each one involved is keeping to their story,
as well as wondering when someone is going to turn on you?
All I can say is SUFFER you lowsy cowards! The day will come
and Justice for Ayla will prevail. REMEMBER, ALL OF YOU ARE
NOT GETTING AWAY WITH A DAMN THING!!! THIS SITUATION
YOU HAVE CONCEALED OR THINK YOU HAVE CONCEALED
WILL COME BACK AND BITE YOU! JUSTICE FOR AYLA!!!!!
Mary Ann it’s sad to think of the 2 innocent children growing up in those homes filled with secrets and deceit.
Actually three Mama, I hate to say it but the more we discuss this case, the more obvious it becomes that Dereks involvement is also going to affect his family dynamic and that is a shame. It tears my heart apart that three children are being placed as low priorities to the adults that are responsible for them just to protect an animal and a monster that would dare harm a fourth child. Absolutlety DiPs-gusting!
You’re right John I forgot about Derek’s boy
Dipietro family ,What kind of family wouldn’t talk about a missing child a year later? Grandparents,Aunts,Uncles,Cousins,where the hell are you? Not one of you has anything to say for this little girl,not one of you shows her face ? You should all be ashamed of yourselves.You don’t think we notice you can’t say her name,you don’t say you miss her,you say nothing, WHY? I’m done pleading with you ! We will do what you do not have the guts to do,we will speak for Ayla and make Damn sure none of you forget her precious face!
I TOTALLY AGREE Sara!!! Not ONE long distance relative of the Dipietro’s as close as Belgrade or as far as California can stick their own neck out for Ayla??? I sadly think that their frame of thought falls somewhere along the lines of this “We have already lost one member of our family due to tragedy, we don’t want to lose another in Justin…”
And if that is the case, I want to projectile all over each individual Dipietro,.,., starting with Pheobe.
JUSTICE FOR AYLA!!!
Sara, H2O, and Mama, this has gone on long enough, they have remained silent in the media for almost 8 months without even speaking Ayla’s name. Well I have news for them idiots, just because Ayla’s last name is not DiPietro, she is still part of your family. And yet you dillusional idiots can’t speak for her. What the hell is in your heart, never mind that was a rhetorical question. I already know your hearts are empty!
Exactly! I bet not one of them will do an interview now either, a year later. Would they do the same if Gabby went missing?
When you have an insurance policy (wrongful) investigation in progress, and your possible payout is being delayed/hampered by the main office of the (under writers) of said policy, the last thing on your (bath salts-laced marijuana-smoking lips ) would be the birth name of THAT little pot of gold, don’t cha think ? Miss Phoebe gets scared when her windows are shattered by a ball bat (2/3 Feb 2011) …Phoebe, just wait until you hear the continued screams (thru the night) from random jail cells at the Ladies Dormitory …that will rattle your cage for sure…but, you can always ( donate) your 12 cents per hour (labor) to Ayla’s college fund…..remember, Phoebes ? The college fund that Justin needed the SSN (from Trista) to begin ? From Nana ?
I agree Chicky,Where is Ayla ,Justin?
I’m right there with you Mama,this BS has gone on long enough.I see people in his family Tweeting,talking on fb and they can’t take 5 minutes to talk about her,they talk about going to the movies,going out drinking,Courtney spends more time Pinning a new wardrobe,and picking out hairstyles than she talks about Ayla.Going on with their lives like nothing happened this is unbeliable!
http://www.kjonline.com/news/events-to-mark-1st-anniversary-of-ayla-missing_2012-12-10.html Thank you for reminding the public!
And another announcement by the media telling all of the upcoming events to honor and bring awareness to Ayla’s case. Yet I have still not heard a single word from Justin, from Derek, from Courtney, Elisha Lance any of them. Talk about icy hearts, this is a family of frozen hearts! DISGUSTING.
I read on the TLLOM facebook page…that they’re having some kind of campaign in Florida, for Ayla. They’re going to start one next week in Virginia.
I am not sure what the campaign is for…besides “awareness” for Ayla. I think this is another ploy, to make people think that she is doing something good. Hence, the non-existent billboards.
http://www.facebook.com/events/287799108007877/
Actually the Virginia campaign started 6 Dec according to thier calendar. It is seems as though are looking for peopel to like the poster on thier site and maybe print the poster.
Talk about diversionary tactics. Florida? Virginia? Uh, hello, Ayla’s blood was spilled in Maine, on Violette Ave., Waterville. Justin and skirts: You’re not fooling anyone.
And yet again, Angela is getting played by Heidi and her sons! But you know what, you can only be duped this many times if you want to be duped. No sympathy for you Angela! Grow up and recognize you have been lied to by your friend and cousin to protect her sons.
And then Mr. Bourget attempted to divert.
Augusta attorney Steve Bourget, who represents members of Ayla’s paternal family — aunt Elisha DiPietro and grandmother Phoebe DiPietro — said his clients welcome the event, but hope its tone will rejuvenate efforts to find Ayla and not serve as a memorial service.
“They’re happy that the community still supports the search for Ayla,” Bourget said. “The family prays that the search for Ayla continues and concludes with her safe return.” http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/events-to-mark-1st-anniversary-of-ayla-missing_2012-12-10.html
Jeepers John if you hadn’t posted the flyers for the awareness events poor Mr. Bourget wouldn’t have known what Ben was talking about.
I am sorry for this but Augusta Attourney Steve Bourget and his clients can all kiss my you know what. He says of this for his clients.
“hope its tone will rejuvenate efforts to find Ayla and not serve as a memorial service”
How about you tell us what your clients are doing to rejuvenate the search? What are they doing to ensure that Aylas memory is not thought of as a memorial? When are THEY going to speak her name? When will any of them stand up For Ayla like every persons there on both of those nights? The only memorial for Ayla was held on April 19th which just so happens to be last time Ayla’s name was spoken in public by any of these cowards!
Sara I hope deep down they live in constant fear.
Please light a candle in each room and shine the light for Ayla to come home.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=ayla
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=ARAA
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=WIA
Justin Courtney Phoebe Elisha Lance Derek Heidi Kylie
Ayla missed Christmas last year, when all of you shared Christmas with your loved ones Ayla was all alone. Please don’t leave Ayla alone this Christmas too. I beg you please give Ayla one last Christmas present. Give Ayla the chance to be found and brought home. Ayla loved you, it’s time to return her love the only way you can now. Ayla needs you to help her
I wonder what they would expect from others if it were their child that went missing? Would they hope someone would speak? Would they beg someone to stand in the gap for their lost baby? God works in mysterious ways. They may get that chance themselves one day.
Yes he does BMAT, and I hope our prayers are answered for a Christmas Gift for Ayla!
I think begging for them to speak is a waste of time. If they wanted to speak out for Ayla, it would have happened by now. Pleading for them to come forward with the truth, is like talking to one’s own butt.
The Dipietro’s and the company who know the truth of what happened to Ayla…are selfish, assholes who don’t give a shit for themselves and their own well being.
If Elisha, had lost Gabby, I bet she would be frantic as hell. But since it isn’t Gabby who is missing, she doesn’t give a crap.
A lot of people may put shame on Trista for her having alcohol problems, but that doesn’t mean that she didn’t love Ayla. I can tell by the interviews and all of the articles that she LOVED Ayla. I watched the video of Trista…where she told the reporter that she kept all of Ayla’s stuff. It makes me wonder if the the Dipshits, have kept any of Ayla’s belongings? I am guessing the answer is no. I am also guessing that the answer is no, if the Dips were asked if they loved Ayla…even an ounce. If they had an ounce of love for Ayla…they would come forward with the truth.
But instead…the pathetic cowards hide away. They let other people on a certain pink blog…fight their battles. I find it pathetic that the pink blog, enjoys talking crap about Trista, her family, and all of us on here. Why do they care what we all have to say? Are they not smart enough to come up with their own theories or out looks on the case?
Anyway, like I mentioned above…it doesn’t do any good to beg for them to open their pie-holes.
It may not do any good but it can’t hurt to try!
I know it won’t make them talk now almost a year later, but it does my heart good to know Ayla has people speaking for her, even if all of our words on Ayla’s behalf fall on deaf ears. We have to try, it is all we can do.
don’t give a shit about anyone but themselves* this is what I meant to say.
I think keeping her face and name out there…is more useful than pleading. Having them see her face or hear her name…will keep the image of her in their head. I think the image of her face, will really get to them. They may be deaf…but they’re not blind.
I am glad that company is putting up a poster of Ayla. I hope other businesses offer to do the same thing.
It is only an “illusion” for us to see…..a cover-up….to (show) us that (they) are not worried and living (normal lives)…but, it is a MASK……to cover FEAR……and, if I were Miss Courtney, I would be afraid…..nobody could be THAT brain dead…..( Courtney must have a Leo moon ) = great actress….but, not fooled here….
There is a change to the Shining Hope for Ayla event, if you are attending and bringing a gift for the children of NY & NJ as requested, please make sure the gift is unwrapped so the two organizations can better determine which child to provide the gift to. There are so many boys/girls, 5/8/12 years old, disabled/healthy, with and without power, so it will greatly assist NVOAD to determine who to distribute the gift to. Thank you and we apologize if you have already wrapped it. Please, again, donate the gift unwrapped.
Here’s what I don’t understand and we’ve discussed this before.
If Ayla’s arm was broken by Justin falling on top of her why doesn’t the ER report mention bruising, tenderness or injuries anywhere else on Ayla’s little body? Obviously when a toddler can’t tell the doctor where it hurts, the doctor is going to examine their entire body for other injuries sustained in a fall that was hard enough to break her arm.
If they found no other injuries wouldn’t that be a BIG red flag that Ayla’s arm was not broken in the manner they were told? WTH?
It was very big red flag for me M Mama, and is one of the two main reasons I voted that the fracture occurred as a result of an angry, violent scolding motion. I am glad someone else noticed the same thing, I thought I was over emphasizing the lack of any other bruising within the ER reports.
I think if he did fall on top of her…. It would have been a possibility that she would have also suffered bruised or broken ribs. She probably would have also had a bump or bruise on her head.
You make a very good point Mountain Mama!!! Good thinking.
Either the ER didn’t check for other injuries or they did and that paperwork is with DHHS and we don’t have access to that information.
I think that we also should take a closer look at Lance.
I read on an Ayla FB page that Lance stopped talking to Tim C. when he started helping with the search of Ayla. By the sounds of it, Tim C. was walking in the woods and in other areas. Lance told Tim to stop looking for Ayla. A comment-er said, that maybe Ayla is in the woods and not in the river…this is why Lance wanted Tim to stop.
I also read that Lance stopped talking to BV, after Bob had started reaching out to world-wide news stations (ABC, NBC, etc)
Why doesn’t Lance want Ayla found? Is he protecting Justin or someone else in that house? Did Lance help hide Ayla or have something to do with her getting hurt?
Lance smells fishy… Why stop talking to people if they’re trying to help. Lance claims that he wants Ayla to be found and whatever else he has been claiming. Everything that Lance is doing is a front to try to not look like a suspect. If he wanted Ayla to be found…he should have been happy that people were searching for her.
Lance is protecting his family and himself. The assault on JL and the ending of the friendship with Tim C. is absolutely a indication of family protector and moving to RI as a preventative measure to ensure he does not get into another run-in with the law is protecting himself. He never did anything for Ayla! Not in my opinion!
Lance also said that he moved because he didn’t want to get in anymore trouble,what did that mean? Trouble with who?
I believe the trouble he was talking about was with the law because of the assault and the stern warning he recieved for that assault from the judge. I do not think he was admitting to harming Ayla, though with the number of lies and misleading comments that have been generated by the family I really do not know.
Slotsky, Sara and John I don’t believe Lance was involved in harming Ayla or disposing of any evidence. I do think he knows what happened now and is covering for his family. Remember this?
Also, the night of the 17th, my little birdie and another friend picked Lance up, he was inconsolable, so upset about his niece. They felt so bad for him and did what they could to try to make him feel better. Lance wanted to go be with Justin so little birdie and friend dropped Lance off to see Justin. When they picked him up the next day, Lance was no longer upset, no longer crying about Ayla. In fact, he didn’t even really mention her. I guess when he went to see Justin, he was told the TRUTH about what happened to Ayla and Lance snapped into defensive mode, no longer caring about Ayla, just caring about how to protect his lying family.
From this information, I will say, I do not think Lance played any part in what happened to Ayla nor do I think he helped hide the body. I do think Lance knows the truth and instead of protecting his niece, he is protecting his brother, sister, and mother. http://united4ayla.com/little-birdie-part-2/
I agree with all the posters. If Lance didn’t harm Ayla, I am a firm believer that he helped cover up in some way or at least has caught wind of what happened and knows now….. Lance has smelled fishy right from the womb…
John -” Well I have another question, this link says” … This link says file not found on server when I click on it.
I believe the fracture happened 11/10/11 . Classes were Tues & Thurs. So if there were class cancellations or holidays in there (ie voting day, the Jewish holidays in the fall) the last day of class would have been pushed back a bit and could have been 11/10/11. According to this link http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KWVL/2011/11/12/MonthlyHistory.html#calendar there was also a 1/2″ of rain that day. Not a lot but still it was raining at some point. Of course this scenario means he waited two days, not one, to take her to the ER. X-Ray’s were taken at both the ER and the Orthopedists office. I think if the fracture had happened even a few days earlier than that there would have been some healing noticed and noted. Neither place questioned the date of the injury or questioned the injury itself (which would have required a notice to DCF). As far as the fracture itself – I don’t know. Kids that age have soft pliable bones. Nature designed them that way because they DO fall so much. It takes a lot of force to fracture a babies/small toddlers bones. Accidents can and do happen but it is hinky, especially considering where the break was.
“They just put a splint on there with an Ace bandage. She didn’t even have a cast or a sling or anything like that.”
“I thought when she was reported missing, that she was wearing a soft-cast, ace bandage and sling for her broken arm? So which was it Justin?”
I don’t have a problem with the discrepancy you see here. JD calls it a splint, the Dr.’s call it a soft cast – it’s the same thing. A soft cast is basically a plastic splint with padding inside it that is secured with an ace bandage. I wore one on my ankle. The one I had even had a hookup to a thing that looks like a cooler. You attach it to the splint and it circulates cold water through it to help swelling. The sling is different. Is there a sling or not? I haven’t seen mention of it except through JD.
I have a question about this though…..
“I was more worried about (Justin’s) wrist, because he’s broken it into 39 pieces (in a snowboard accident),” she said. In the Orthopedic report it says “He has recently recovered from a bad fracture of his left wrist which he was trying to protect as well…”
This is in November. If he fractured his wrist in a snowboarding accident it had to be broken in March or April of 2011 at the very latest. Fractures take about 6 weeks to heal, some a little longer if severe. By June his wrist had to be fully healed. 5 months later they’re both still mentioning it?
One last observation. I don’t like this statement……”That was completely accidental,” DiPietro said of Ayla’s injury. “I would never harm my daughter.”
That was accidental is sufficient. To add completely weakens the assertion that it was accidental. I would never harm my daughter is a very weak denial. It is not specific, it is all encompassing. He does not say he didn’t cause Ayla’s injury. It is also future tense – would never. Of course he “would never harm” Ayla. He can’t. She’s missing. .
Wow. Sorry about that. I didn’t realize how long this was, I just kept typing!
Dee try this link http://midmaine.siteturbine.com/uploaded_files/midmaine.maineadulted.org/files/MMRACE_Fall_2011_Brochure.pdf
You had alot of points to make Dee, nothing wrong with that.
I will replace the non-working link with the one M. Mama pulled up. For some reason they both work on my computer but if the one Mama works for everyone else, than I will replace it. As for the soft-cast versus splint, I agree and I will modify that to read “which was it Justin, did she have a sling or not?” I should have done this earlier. But you did say you had not seen mention of it except through JD. I have to say that I had not heard of Ayla not having a sling either until I read this and he is the only person to say no sling that I am aware of.
It also looks as though you have been reading some SA. I am glad you explained the meaning of those statements as I am not even close to being as familiar with SA as the rest of you. I have to cede the floor to any discussions relating to SA.
Re: SA. I read Peter’s site daily but I also read Mark McClish’s site – http://www.statementanalysis.com and have read through this site http://www.lsiscan.com/. I find it fascinating to pick apart the statements and discover the deception. It’s amazingly accurate. I also read at http://blog.eyesforlies.com/ who is a “human lie detector” with a really good track record.
I guess I have to start watching what I write now. LOL Nah, nevermind, I am getting to old and too slow so if I did that I would never write anything. Though there are some that would like that I think.
Lol…I don’t analyze everyone, you’re safe.
Dee according to the information about the CDL classes at this link, any make up days were on Saturdays. Justin said his last class was the day they took Ayla to the ER and that was a Saturday, so if they did have make up days it may have been true.
I voted A.
For reasons stated above. Medical personal would know if the fracture happened before it was reported as happening. Bones start to heal and form collagen right away. Since it is not noted on the ER or Orthopedic report, I assume there was no question by the Dr.’s concerning when it happened.
It’s my opinion that Saturdays were most likely used for driving, road and handling, truck operation/ instruction. Logically, I think this would have been done more towards or at the end of the course. I think it’s possible that Justin was completing this final part of the course. Depending on classroom size it may have taken a few Saturdays for all the students to be tested.
I tend to agree Andy.
I don’t know Dee your reasoning of the 10 is more along the lines and I do not believe a break in 2-3 days is going to start the healing process to the extent it would jump up on an x-ray. Especially if the break was not immobilized and was moving still. I still think the 9th-10th time frame which keeps my vote on C for question #1.
John,
I was agreeing in general with Andy’s thoughts. Right now I’m going to stick with the 10th.
10th/11th – only one day difference. I don’t think it was any sooner than the 10th though.
I agree with him on the Saturdays being used for driving, road testing, etc as part of the CDL course.
I to agree with the driving on Saturdays, but I think it was only the Saturdays before Oct 27th. After the 27th, then the Tuesday and Thursday could also have been used for drivers testing. I which case I do not see the dates being extended that long out. I have been in two classes that have been extended due to the past two hurricanes and other inclimate weather etc. When the final day was reached we were told that the same days and times would be continued until the required hours and curriculum had been completed. So even if they needed to road test on a box car type vehicle or even a bus, it would not have taken two additional weeks to accomplish this. JMO
I think the 9th or 10th, but no earlier than the 9th. I think any earlier and there would be signs of healing on the x-rays as was stated. I think that the parrallel lying is to cover for the manner in which the arm was fractured, not so much to cover when it occured. IMO though the initial delay in treatment for Ayla,weather it be overnight, or up to 48 hours, I find it neglectfull that she was not brought in to the ER immediately.
I agree John. Sometimes you don’t even know you have broken a bone. And with a child her age it’s harder because they can’t verbalize it. But with the break she had I feel she had to have been in some discomfort. Did she flinch or cry or say owwwie when being changed into her jammies? Didn’t they notice her holding her arm funny or not using it?
Nope. Mama D and Justin were too concerned with Justin’s at least 7 month old injury to worry about Ayla.
Exactly my thoughts Dee.
I took my class on a field trip to a skating rink and 5 or 6 kids fell into me and landed on top of me when we fell. I waited till we got the kids back to the school before I went to the ER and by that time it had already swollen badly and bruising was obvious.
IDK if it would make a difference with me being an adult, I hope so because even with ice, elevation and pain meds I couldn’t sleep due to pain the first night. The slightest movement woke me up. The swelling had to go down for 2 days before they put a regular cast on.
I really can’t believe no one noticed the swelling, pain or bruising unless they weren’t paying attention to her.
Thanks MM for the second link, this one worked.
Lawrence Adult Education in Fairfield is offering a driver education course leading to a Class B CDL with a school bus endorsement. To be eligible to take the course, applicants must be at least 21 years old, have a good driving record, and provide proof of good health. To register for this course, please call Lawrence Adult Education at 453-4200 x 3114 for an application package (registration form and a physical form to be completed by a doctor). Application packets are also available online at http://www.lawrenceadulted.org.
Classroom time: Tuesdays/Thursdays, 6:00-9:00 p.m., 16 sessions starting Sept. 6
Driving: Must be available on Saturdays. Some weekday and evening time may also be available.
Fee: $450
This is OT of the broken arm but I’m reading this for the first time and am now wondering where the idea he’s getting his CDL and going to buy/drive a truck came from. I think someone saw CDL and made that leap not realizing there are different levels of CDL licenses. This class is for a Class B CDL with a bus drivers endorsement which is completely different than a tractor trailer endorsement. To drive a tractor trailer you have to have a Class A CDL and any other applicable endorsements that go along with it like hazardous materials, air brake and tanker endorsements. A Class B CDL, which is what he took the class for, allows you to operate: “any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating or registered weight of 26,001 or more pounds or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds gross vehicle weight rating or gross weight.” This class license precludes tractor trailer driving as the trailers alone weigh about 12,000 lbs.empty, never mind the weight of the truck. This would be more like a big box truck size or a bus with a passenger endorsement on it.
I also didn’t see anywhere in there where it says make up classes are on Saturday. I saw you have to be available Saturdays for the driving portion of the class. Did I miss it somewhere else in the document?
I went back and read the document and you’re right it doesn’t say that. I checked to see if it was a general statement for all classes but it isn’t. I must’ve read it in someone’s comment before I’m sorry I didn’t mean to be misleading
No problem mm – I thought I might have missed it elsewhere in the brochure. It was a big document.
I did find this at the beginning of the document. The holidays they had listed for October and November were 10/10 Monday and 11/11 Friday. If the classes were Tuesday, Thursday, and an occasional Saturday the holidays shouldn’t have caused the class to run 2 weeks over.
Well you know I am not superstitious, but this is weird. I just saw this clipping
http://www.wlbz2.com/news/article/224523/3/Chuck-E-Cheese-to-close-only-Maine-location
And the same Chuck-E-Cheese with the non-existant ball pit and toddlers that like to resort to fisticuffs is closing it’s doors December 16th. Eaxactly one year after Ayla was reportedly last seen. And it is the same place where Aylas first reported bruises occurred according to Tristas timeline IIRC. How weird, but maybe it is a sign that it is time to search in and aroung that Chuck-E-Cheese locations just to make sure.
Oh, yeah! I think Lance is the family “enforcer”, but not in any way connected to Ayla’s “accident”. But once told the truth, he moved into violent family protection mode. Also, he’s the prickly, often violent defender of the family’s reputation. You don’t say nuthin’ bad about us DiPietros, even if it is true. He’s make a cement coffin for you and throw you in the confluence of the Maine rivers if you say something bad about the DiPietros. His trashing of Trista and the wish that she should kill herself says that Lance is operating under the mysogynistic proposition that Trista is the womanly bad seed of destruction for good men like Justin and himself. That Trista! She is.the cause of all their family troubles. Like a big ol’ spider, she had the colossal evil to entice poor weak-willed, but innocent, Justin into her web of sex and deceit wherein she made helpless Justin procrerate. If Lance could have played “kick the baby” with Ayla while she was still in the womb, he would have been a hero in his own mind.
haha, I really like this post Penny…
That is exactly the way I was thinking of family “enforcer” Penny. I do not think he was directly responsible, but most definately indirectly by allowing for and assisting in covering it up after the fact. He knows, no doubt in my mind.
I saw Lance’s reaction a little differently. Based on the timing of when he attacked Trista (his old friend), I say the trigger was her bad-mouthing Justin in the media. I think he probably saw it as disloyalty.
I missed what you mean CG, sorry. I consider the attacks by Lance on Trista much deeper than defending his brother for Tristas disloyalty. To wish her to kill herself while she is grieving is something alot deeper than that in my opinion. And Trista had been questioning Justin since the vigil when she asked him about the blood found by LE.
Chicky:” Based on the timing of when he attacked Trista (his old friend), I say the trigger was her bad-mouthing Justin in the media. I think he probably saw it as disloyalty.”
And that disloyalty, it seems for Lance, deserves DEATH! Mafia mentality, IMO.
Actually Penny, that was from CG. But regardless, the “mafia mentality” is in my eyes a way for Lance to try to protect his family from what he now knows. I cite the JL beat-down, his anger towards Elisha for questioning JD if we are to believe the BV recellection, the wish for Trista to kill herself, the virtual visit to PH with the desire to meet face-to-face, etc. These all tell me anyone who speaks negatively of the DiPietros, including another DiPietro, is going to feel the wrath of the family protector. JMO but if he felt that Trista was being disloyal, he is feeling it incorrectly. Trista was, and is, being loyal to Ayla who is also Lance’s family, and Lance is being loyal to his brother. I do see the loyal that Lance shows but I do not see how he can not apply that same thought to Trista’s loyalty to Ayla. Does any of this make sense? I will sit on my hands for a bit and try to figure out how to say what I am trying to say.
Sorry , again I was replying to posts about Lance. Down here, I sound as if I am on another topic, altogether, which perhaps I am!
Also, Dee, aside from the weight of the vehicle, I read (from someone..maybe Heidi, Angela, or any number of defenders of Justin etc) that Justin said his truck driving was going to be limited to local driving so that he would be home every night for Ayla. Maybe driving locally only needed a class B CDL? I dunno!
I heard the same thing Penny, but it was from Selena when I read it. It could have been any of them though and I do believe that those who were talking of a Big Rig do not realize how much a big rig costs.
Another reminder, I have posted the new flier for the Shining Hope for Ayla and it is now asking for UNWRAPPED child toys and gifts to be donated for the children displaced by Superstorm Sandy. Please give from the heart if you can and make sure to leave the gifts unwrapped.
Trista, Ayla and baby Ray were just on the news I think it was ch. 6 WMTW …Trista met them at monument square cuz Ayla loved the tree and lights…that was really sweet I cried the whole time…Trista you are a very strong beautiful woman. God Bless you mama.
OT This is something John Walsh said when Jessica Ridgeway’s parents were avoiding the media when she went missing. I wish Justin would read this.
John Walsh also knows what it’s like to search for a missing child. His own son, Adam was kidnapped and killed in 1981.
He now hosts America’s Most Wanted. Walsh told FOX31 Denver’s Deborah Takahara in an exclusive interview, “About 80 percent of missing kids are found because of media, so the public will be key to breaking this case. No matter how inconsequential information may seem, I’ve learned 25 years on Americas Most Wanted, catching 1200 bringing home 60 missing children, the public is huge part in solving these cases. They have to have the guts to pick up the phone.”
Walsh also said Jessica’s parents need to speak publicly.
“I would say this. If I could’ve traded my life for Adam’s back in 1981. If someone said stand in Times Square naked, we’re going to shoot you with a sniper bullet, I would’ve stood there and traded my life. I know one thing. You need the media. No matter how difficult, you have to be willing to go on national shows, local shows, any show”
“You have to say this is my beautiful daughter, this is the victim we need to focus on and be strong because the real victim is this little girl. She is praying somewhere that mom and dad are strong enough to keep the search for me going,” Walsh says.
“I know how hard it is, I know how devastating it is, I’ve walked in that mom’s shoes, I’ve walked in that estranged dad’s shoes. But I learned one thing over the years, the parents have to be strong enough to keep Jessica’s face on the TV screens and front pages of newspapers.” http://kdvr.com/2012/10/08/americas-most-wanted-other-organizations-join-search-for-jessica-ridgeway/
John Walsh is a very experienced and intelligent searcher for Americas missing angels. Justin really should be reading this M. Mama. And maybe share it with the his family and friends to ensure Ayla has the media attention she deserves. Thank you for sharing this Mama!
http://www.wmtw.com/news/maine/portland/Ahead-of-one-year-anniversary-Trista-Reynolds-talks-about-Ayla/-/8865266/17755202/-/i4a52kz/-/index.html
This interview is so telling of how much Trista misses Ayla and wants answers for Ayla. She says on the video, “She (Ayla) is in my heart, she is in my mind, but most of all she is in me.”
She later says she has to keep that little bit of hope that Ayla is still with us and that justice will be served. And with the grand jury currently meeting, I pray that Trista has her wish and Ayla has her justice, both in time for Christmas this year.
I pray the same. This is so heartbreaking
i missed something, i didnt know the grand jury was meeting…thats great news.
Please light a candle in each room and shine the light for Ayla to find her way home to mommy & Lil Man.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=ayla
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=ARAA
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=WIA
Let’s try to keep as many candles lit for Ayla through the holidays as possible! We can light up her Christmas like never before.
I was asked to share this on the site. It is from Bring Baby Ayla and Baby Lisa Home. I will have my Thank You in the mail tomorrow. I hope everyone follows suit!!!!
ATTENTION!! ATTENTION!!! We are starting a CHRISTMAS CARD CAMPAIGN to Thank Central Maine Motors in Waterville for putting up Ayla’s Banner. Also to encourage them to keep it up until she comes HOME. Goal here is for everyone to send a Christmas Card to ((( Central Maine Motors Chevy Buick 420 Kennedy Memorial Drive Waterville ME 04901))) They deserve a BIG thanks from the public!! I hope you all will send a nice Christmas card -ALH
I have a poem for Ayla but I can’t post it. I keep crying. Once I can type it without breaking down it will be posted.
Hopefully her justice will be served. And there is no chance that her donor would last in jail.
Has anyone seen if Derek has explained why Justin called him before calling 911 or denied receiving the call?
I have been reading at the other blog, and go figure, Derek has stopped posting with no denial, but it is obvious that the other commenters are okay with just calling Trista and myself liars without asking Derek himself? I find it odd that the only place Derek used to blog was on that site and now that he is not blogging it must be that Trista was lying again and I supported the lie by posting it. Why didn’t or why don’t one of them get Derek to answer the question himself, did you recieve a call for Justin before Justin called 911 on the morning of 17 Dec 2011? Simple, what is the answer Derek?
John-I have noticed over at the other blog that they talk loads of crap about you.
They are a waste of breath and it doesn’t do any good to try and argue with them. It is like what my mother says, “you can’t argue with stupid.” Some people are just too stupid to be reasoned with…because they’re too set in their ways.
I don’t think we should give them the satisfaction of us mentioning their name or referring to their garbage blog. I also think that they’re jealous of this blog. They’re jealous that it is recognized more for its efforts in JUSTICE FOR AYLA. I am not sure what the point of their blog is…besides trash talking, twisting stuff, and making up garbage.
Maybe Derek is trying to be “out of sight, out of mind.” I hope that he realizes that just because he isn’t speaking….doesn’t mean that we will for get about him or his other crew.
So thrue Slotsky, and I don’t care what is said about me, I was hoping that Derek would have the “pair” to either admit or deny the call though. I guess he is hiding now too behind the skirts. I apologize now for bringing it up, but I do still challenge Derek to respond to my question, did you or did you not get call from Justin on the morning of 17 December 2011 before the 911 call was made at 8:51 AM?
Thank you for straightening me out Slotsky. It won’t happen again.
I have been trying to figure out where the phone call before Derek was first brought up. Was it when Justin had called to see if Ayla was over at Derek’s house for some reason…which doesn’t make sense.
If Justin called to see if Ayla was over at Derek’s house… this would mean that Derek has a key to the Dipietro house.
If Derek does have a key. I guess the Dips hand out keys to just about anyone. I remember there had been talk about Justin.L having a key at one point in time.
I think John said he read it on facebook?
Slotsky, I am not sure if maybe you misunderstood, there is no call I am aware of before Derek! It was first mentioned on FB that a call was made to Phoebe, then Derek, then 911, then they switched it to Derek then Phoebe, then 911. But when I asked Trista she could only verify to me that there was a call to Derek from Justin and that this call was made before the 911 call on the morning of 17 December 2011. She could not confirm nor deny the call to Phoebe, though the Phoebe call is a call I would have expected.
I found a link that suggests that Justin didn’t call Pheobe. The link is below at the bottom of this page. But it was in an article…sometimes authors don’t tell the full story or put in opinions into their writing.
Slotsky are you talking about this paragraph
Police have not released any information about whether there were any other calls made from the DiPietro household the morning of Dec. 17. One call Justin would reasonably be expected to have made if he is not responsible for Ayla’s disappearance is to his mother. That’s because she owned and lived in the home. Common sense would have him confirm, before declaring the baby missing, that Phoebe hadn’t returned from her nocturnal visit and taken Ayla out somewhere with the expectation of returning before the household awoke.
From this link http://news.yahoo.com/justin-dipietro-didn-t-tell-trista-reynolds-baby-152200570.html
it seems he stopped posting before any one could ask him that question…then he doesnt have to answer…he can just say he was never asked….POS….i hope that Kylie is starting to reliaze that he is a POS and i hope their marriage is going down the shitter….she and her son are going to be better off with out him…or maybe he is a woman abuser and she is in a relationship that she already knows is bad…there are resources to help you Kylie…Family Violence Project they will help you get out…Protect you son Kylie…he should be your #1…im sure he is your #1, do something about it now to help him and yourself…protect your baby Kylie…there are way better men out there that will love you and your son the way a man should love. Get help Kylie!!!
Mama,I haven’t seen Derek comment in months ,he is speechless like the rest of them.
I’m not surprised sara.
Yes John, that is the paragraph that I am referring too.
I don’t remember if I have read if Pheobe was at the house when Justin called to report Ayla missing.
Do you know if this article was written before or after the CNN lie..that Pheobe wasn’t home when Ayla “disappeared”
The article was writen well after the CNN interview and I think that the Author was simply explaining that she would have expected Justin to call Phoebe. We unfortunately can not confirm if Justin called Phoebe or if Phoebe was there when LE arrived or if she got there after. I have not seen any verifying articles concerning either. Maybe someone else has though?
The yahoo article is from April and Phoebe lied on CNN on 12/18 so this was written after.
http://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4484524924430&set=o.301103749958352&type=1&theater
Hey guys idk if this link will work but it is the big sign out infront of the dealership I just had to stop and take a picture…if it doesn’t work maybe John can post the picture I sent it to you via email John
Addie, the link worked fine for me! Thank You, it is amazing. I posted a link from AMH, I think we should all send a thank you card to the dealership and ask them to keep it up until Ayla is found!
http://news.yahoo.com/dangers-baby-aylas-home-pose-threat-cousin-gabriella-222400128.html
This article mentions Ayla’s blood… along with some stupid stuff that Pheobe has said…
http://newsblaze.com/story/20111221135346kays.nb/topstory.html
I wasn’t able to read this full article. I am having issues with the computer plug-ins crashing.
It is a possibility that Ayla had disappeared before Justin text messaged Trista?
Answers For Ayla April 27, 2012 2:50 PM
Emerald; The “abduction fear texts” started about a month after Justin had Ayla
and ended the day before Ayla went missing.
The person who sent the e-mail about Justin throwing Ayla, preferred to remain
anonymous… that is all I can tell you. http://united4ayla.com/wp-content/uploads/files/Answers%20For%20Ayla_%20Timeline.pdf
Which would have placed the first ones in the middle of Novemebr. We know also the last time Trista saw Ayla was at the doctors Nov 21st. So I would assume the texts would have started after the doctors appointment.
There is something that has been troubling me that has previously been the subject of discussion here and on JusticeForAyla. The last time Trista heard from Ayla was on December 8th 2011. We have yet to hear from anyone credible that has seen or heard from her since, however one of the MSP investigators told me that the rumors that Ayla has been missing since then are false. The investigator would not confirm an actual date so I believe that it might have some bearing on the case. http://united4ayla.com/moving-day/
Here is a quote from Justin about Ayla’s arm– “It is a fact that her blood was found in my house. Yes, it is a fact that she broke her arm in my house. But, it is not a fact that any of it was intentional.”
http://www.kjonline.com/news/where-is-my-daughter__2012-03-29.html
http://news.yahoo.com/justin-dipietro-didn-t-tell-trista-reynolds-baby-152200570.html
Slotsky it sounds to me like she’s just explaining why Justin might’ve called Phoebe. I don’t see any indication that he did or didn’t call Phoebe.
Justin made it sound as if Ayla was very busy breaking her own arm! As if Justin had nothing to do with it. And her blood was “found”…very passive…how did the blood get there to be found, Justin? And the blood found and the broken arm weren’t intentional? And, Justin, her death wan’t intentional, either, was it? It just happened and that’s why all of you can pat your weakly-developed so-called consciences and sleep at night. Why should a nobody like Ayla infringe on any of your freedom in that house or anyone connected to that house!
No wonder Heidi and Angela have to speak for Justin. Big mouth, bigger foot!
That is a very telling thing to say – not “any of it was intentional” – seems almost an admission to me. When my little ones were younger, and were learning to be truthful, I needed to reassure them that Truth is best and we can sort out the rest. Invariably, when admitting to a wrong-doing that they first denied, they assured me that they “didn’t mean to”. Of course, I am talking about 3 or 4 year olds who had to be taught to be truthful. Obviously, this was not taught to JD or his mother. Their first reaction is to lie….then tell another version…then say not “intentional”,,,then to refuse to talk. Was Ayla harmed not “intentionally”?
I don’t know if any of you remember this….during the Lisa Irwin “kidnapping” story there was a woman mentioned that was helping the family… Chevrette or something close to that name & if I can find where I read this that this woman is a cousin of Pheobe. That makes me think, did this woman supposedly wealthy, buy these 2 babies ? I’m going back through my notes. I just wanted to see if any of you read or heard anything like this ?
I remember it mentioned in Lisa Irwin’s case but I’ve never heard about the connection to Phoebe.
The similarities to me were, they both went missing from their beds and the cadaver dog hit on the floor next to Deb’s bed, and the blood was found next to Justin’s bed.
Let us know if you find what you are looking for Harly.
Are you talking about Johnny Chivalarette (I may not have gotten the name absolutely correct) who was saying he’d found out what happened to Lisa after the fact? If you are, there may be some serious credibility issues there. Baby selling also seems highly unlikely in the Lisa Irwin case.
I have to agree with CG on both counts, the credibility is definately in question IMO and with the LIP and discovery of the blood I highly doubt that a sale would be in the cards with so many injuries and so many links to force an investigation. JMO
justin says , ” Yes, it is a fact that she broke her arm in my house”
This statement implies blame onto Ayla. If he said, “Yes, it is a fact that Aylas arm was broken in my house”
HE broke her arm wheather it was from abuse or an accidental fall. Did he lash out at Ayla, yank her arm for what he percieved as her disobeying him so in his mind the blame lies on her ,… behavior?
I agree Chicky, it appears as though he is again transfering responsibility onto the victim. I think according to SA this implies guilt on the part of the speaker?
I echoed you up above, Chicky. That Justin cannot form words without incriminating himself is why the skirts have to talk for him. He’s a walking disaster area every time he speaks. He’s really unbelievable.
And can we mention parallel stories again? Her death wasn’t intentional, either…that is what I think he’s saying.
No disagreeing with that logic Penny. So sad that Ayla is being made the victim AGAIN!
I don’t think that Lisa Irwin had been kidnapped. I do think that her mom had rolled over on her, while she was sharing a bed with Lisa. Deb could have awoken to find Lisa not breathing and put her on the floor to start CPR, but by that time it was too late. Lisa’s lifeless body could have laid on the floor until he had returned from work…
Thus, in result is what led the dogs to the side of her parents bed.
Someone did report seeing a man carrying a baby. The baby wasn’t properly dressed for the weather. It could have been Lisa’s dad or another male that the family had known…who walked to dispose of Lisa’s body. If they had place Lisa’s body in their car, they would have been caught.
I know a few month’s later that Irwin and Bradley mentioned some weird transaction on their credit card or debit card that had been stolen from their house. A transaction used at a baby name change company.
Curious thing is…they never mentioned missing a credit card or debit card earlier on the case. Lisa is obviously missing, they mentioned the missing cellphones, and the lights being on…but nothing about a missing credit/debit card. How could a person not noticed a credit/debit card not missing?
I think the boxed wine drinker of a mother, is totally responsible for what has happened to Lisa. I read somewhere that shortly after Lisa’s disappearance… she was seen in a passenger seat of a car that was at a stop sign singing and laughing.
I think if my child was missing… I wouldn’t be in some car having a good ol’ time.
eh…there are some errors in that paragraph…but you get the idea.
I don’t know if any of you watch the BIO channel or not.
Anyway, there is a show on the BIO channel called “Killer Kids.” Those kids who murder people over stupid stuff or just for the joy of it… they own up to what they have done. These kids are a good 10 to 15 years younger than Justin and they can own up to the crime that they have committed.
If a youngster can admit to a crime… then I think Justin should own up to whatever has happened to Ayla!!!
Bravo Slotsky. I could not agree more. I think Justins plea for immunity for the “kidnapper” goes along these lines. Minors know they have a chance at least of release at 21 or 25. But in Justins case, he knows there is no light at the end of the tunnel if he is charged and convicted.
i am sitting here babysitting my neighbors daughter who is 6 years old…i am reading an article that was posted above and baby Aylas picture is on the article…my little friend here says “oh look its baby Ayla” i told her yes…and she says i know what happened to her…she says “her daddy is a very mean man and he didnt love his daughter he didnt want to see her grow up, most parents want to see there kids grow up, but he didnt he only cared about himself”
how sad and heartbreaking is that? she made me cry of course…poor baby Ayla…sweet sweet baby
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/year-maines-ayla-reynolds-case-mystery-17966945
Once again “DiPietro declined to comment for this story.” I guess all the stories of the media declining interviews were true then Justin? Oh wait nevermind it is just more BS from a wanna be badass, who doesn’t have enough ass to speak for himself.
There’s a couple other parts he doesn’t have enough of John.
I wonder if AH realizes YET that she has been lied to.
And who it is that is lying to her. In the article above from ABC on page 2 of the article it says
Reynolds said police confirmed to her that DiPietro walked out of an interview when he was confronted with photos showing Ayla’s blood in the basement. They also confirmed that before dialing 911 the morning that Ayla was reported missing, DiPietro called his friend, an insurance agent who wrote a life insurance policy on Ayla.
So even ABC is now calling Justin a liar about the blood and calling Derek out for having recieved a call from Justin before the 911? So are either of these idiots going to speak up for themselves now or are they lawyered up, maybe by the same lawyer from the looks of things. At least if they are different, they are giving the same advice which is I assume, SHUT UP?
justin says he can’t get interviews, and AH believes that?? He is the one who refuses.
He is refusing, but I think it is Heodo that is lying to Angela on Justin and Dereks behalf. Angela is being played a fool by many of what she sonsiders to be a close knit family!!! JMO
Oh, gosh! I suppose ABC news immediately asked Justin to trash Trista and that’s why Peachy D. had to decline to say anything about his missing daughter who hAS BEEN MISSING A YEAR! Those mean news agencies! Why doesn’t the FCC take away their licenses? I’m sure there can be no other reason for the anxious and worried and perhaps bereaved father of the year to decline a comment about his beloved missing child! Justin is such a gent that he couldn’t take the chance that he would be forced to say bad things about Ayla’s mom! Whatta guy! Whatta dad!
Or maybe mama Heidi T. wasn’t available to be his mouthpiece and cover his posterior as she is want to do.
And how about that Angela! Working so hard to get an interview for Justin with any relaible news source, and ABC News blew it by commanding Justin to give a Trista-Trash-Talk or else no go! Sorry Angela. All your hard work for nuttin’!
I guess you just cannot trust those sly news people! All I can think of is Justin…poor guy…eager to give a statement about Ayla and how much he misses her and how worried he is about her… and… he was stopped by some sleazy news guys just wanting a nasty tittle about Trista! I tells ya’ the newspaper biz is down and dirty!
You notice that ABC News guys didn’t force Trista to say anything bad about Justin so she was able to speak of Ayla..
Penny, you are so much better with words than I am. Thank you for explaining how badly ABC screwed to pooch with this oppertunity to allow Justin to beg for his daughter on the 1 year anniversary of her “disappearance”. Dam, my head is spinning with the callousness and cold-heartedness of this sorry ass POS!!!!
John, you are better than I at being heartfelt. I am just too sarcastic.
Sometimes it’s hard to curb my cynicism at this family who REFUSES to
talk to the “kidnapper” whom they claim abducted Ayla…and beg
him/her to release this precious baby. I am appalled at months of inactivity of this family to even exercise the narrowest search for her. I am repelled by a family who cannot speak to the public and press about this missing baby, but has their lawyer speak for them.
Does anyone know what time the press conference is tomorrow?
I’m not sure Mama but would like to know also.
I think I heard 2 PM also but it may be later. If I hear anything different I will let you all know.
Mama, someone mentioned maybe at 2 .
Thanks Chicky.
2pm and i will be there with video phone in hand i will email you after wards mama…
Thank you Addie, I keep hoping justice for Ayla is about to begin.
Yes, Thank you Addie. I will try to post the audio if I can and if not I will type it out into transcript format. But I am crashing, tomorrow is going to be the start of Justice, I believe this to be true!
Been searching on the mysterious benefactor that put up the reward money in Baby Lisa & Baby Ayla are the same person & is related to Irwin Mom & some one in the Baby Ayla. case….Heidi or maybe the social worker….I’m trying to find that nformation
Yeah I get it…but there is still a connection between the 2 cases…it may not be through the benefactor but it is through someone…and I’m just thinking out loud like alot of you are.
HarleyColt, I think you are thinking of the druggie that supposedly had the cell phone. I think his name was Dane something? Anyways I do not follow Lisa’s case as closely as I should, but I believe he had an aunt or cousin that was also a cousin or distant relative to Courtney’s family. I am sure I am wrong on this except that it was a 3-4 times removed relative to Dane? Can anyone recall this with better clarity than I??
His name is Dane Greathouse. He is the one who allegedly received a call from Deborah Bradley’s cell phone. The phone wasn’t his, it was Megan Wright’s pnone but everyone in the house she lived in used it.
Those are the two names I remembered Dee, thank you for recalling them for me. I hope this helps in your search HarleyColt?
Kristi Hoss Schiller is believed to be the benefactor in the baby Lisa case. She is connected through Deb’s cousin Mike LeRette. The reward in the Ayla case was put up by local businessmen and spearheaded by local attorney John Nale. You are looking too hard for something that isn’t there.
my story and my opionion on Aylas broken arm….
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last winter i bundled my then 5 month old baby up in a snow suit hat and wrapped him in 2 fleece blankies to walk across the street to my friends house…i cut across my front lawn because i thought the grass was be less slippy then the driveway…i got across the street and walked across her front lawn…then the ice was there and before i knew what happened i was on the ground and my baby flew out of my arms from atleast waist height…we both hit the ground he of course hit a lot harder then i did…even with a snow suit hat and 2 blankies wrapped around him i still herd him hit…he hit hard too…the first thing i did was scoop him up the 2nd thing i did was cry i couldnt contain myself…i ran into my friends house unbundled my baby and looked him over..he was crying of course…no visible bumps or no bleeding but i know that i herd his head or his shoulder or elbow or something hit the ground hard….i breastfeed so i gave him a boob to calm him down it worked so while i am feeding him my friend is stripping him so we can look over his little body…and on my ear was the phone calling the doctors office…i explained what happened and they say because of his age it is best if i bring him in..so right away i brought him to the doctors…he seemed fine he wasnt crying he was back to himself…so at that point i thought that he was ok and maybe he screamed crying because it was scary…he was also sleeping when he fell so i thought for sure he was scared…his mom just dropped him….who wouldnt be scared…so we get in the room at the doctors and i right away noticed an egg on the side of his head right above his left ear…the doctor say that because it is a bump and not an indentation that was a good sign…but she still wanted me to bring him to the er to have a cat scan done…the doctor said that kids fall quite often and more often then we know our kids get small fractures that heal on there own without us knowing because the only way you would know is if there was a cat scan or a xray…and ppl dont bring there kids in everytime they bump, bang, or smash thier heads off something…she said if he was a little bit older and this had happened she wouldnt have wanted to have a cat scan so in turn he would have had a skull fracture with out ever knowing….so we head over to the er…im still a wreck, cant believe i just droped my baby and he could have a skull fracture omg how stupid could i be to think that it was ok to walk across the iced over ground with him not being in a carrier i wanted to punch myself in the face…so after many attmepts to get my lil guy to sleep so he could be still for a cat scan the doctor finally made the suggestion that we give him a little bit on benadryl said that in most kids it makes them sleepy and then we will have no problem….so about 2 mins later he was out like a light….and indeed the cat scan shows he has a small skull fracture…thought i was a wreck b4 you should have seen me after they told me that…i was thinking the worst things…but turns out the he is fine and there is no fluid around his brain and he will heal…it will take about 4-6 weeks give him some tylenol or motrin as needed he may have a headache for a few days but other than that a full recovery would be expected…no follow up needed….that wasnt good enough for me though i was so upset that i did this to my baby….i felt like the biggest pos mother….at this point the doctor was more trying to console me then his concern for my babys injury, then the doctors exact words were “accidents happen, and you did the right thing by calling the doctors and bringing him here, now if you dropped your baby and you didnt bring him to the doctor or even call the doctor at the very least, that would not be considered an accident in our eyes at that point it would have been negelect”
so imo i do not believe that Aylas broken arm was an accident, JD did not take the right steps to ensure Ayla’s injury wasnt more than what he thought it was…he did not put her safety and well being 1st above everything else going on…this includes his mommys decision to not call the doctor or bring Ayla to the er right away..
he 100% negelected that baby.
Addie, first and foremost, I am glad that your son has recovered and doing so well. Obviously by his awesome picture.
As for the story, I agree that the incident you realted is the way that 99.9% of loving parents would have acted and would have felt. The sad part, never did or felt the way you or I did or felt. It is such a sad sad sad testiment to how little this “******” cared for his own daughter.
sorry so long i guess i just wanted to get my point across…
I agree Addie, Justin 100% neglected Ayla and he’s still 100% neglecting Ayla.
JUSTIN WHERE IS AYLA ????????????
hey guys i just read this some place else on the net….
“They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason. [Wordman, Retired LE Anon, possibly Addie”
I never considered Addie…but it makes sense
My only concern is Ayla…and just because i am not hear for a few days doesnt mean that i am not here for her every minute of every day…unlike a bunch of dipshits…if you really need to know why i am not here for a few days ill tell you…i have a really bad sinus infection the only sinus infection i have ever had in my life and my eyes are hardly open and red like the devil that burns in Justin….so if i could have seen what i was typing then i def would have been here typing…so before you think that you know what type of disinformation you have get your information correct…
We are here for Ayla…its all about Ayla remember i am in a cult and my leader is John and we worship Ayla…how could you forget???
Although i took some time to feel better i can tell you that i made a few stops at a few local stores and hung up some updated flyers that Mountain Mama mailed to me, thats a lot more than you pink pukes can say you have done to keep Aylas name out there!!!!!
Addie,
Ignorance breeds ignorance, and they are breeding! Do not feel you have to explain your actions to us Addie. We know where your heart lies and so does Ayla! She is all that matters as you have said. We know your true intentions, so please ignor those that feel your intentions are anything other than finding answers and justice for Ayla! And thank you again for spreading Ayla’s picture and smiling face for all to see.
I hope that LE, will be able to tell us something new about Ayla’s case, today.
I won’t be able to view the press conference, while it’s being broadcast-ed live, but it probably will be posted up on YouTube.com, like the May, press conference.
JUSTIN, WHERE IS AYLA BELL!?!?!?!?
JUSTICE FOR AYLA!!!
http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/trista-reynolds-losing-hope_2012-12-13.html
Thank you Ben for doing this article. I do have faith in LE and as the retired LE officers state in the article, one year for an investigation is not a long time, but it would be nice if LE would be more proactive with Trista to help in keeping her spirits high.
YES, thanks to Ben for the articles in keeping Ayla’s face out there and hope alive! Someone KNOWS where she is and hopefully they will become human enough to speak up. That is what we are praying and hoping for. Much gratitude Ben!
Ally Small
drove through and around waterville yesterday and i expected to see christmas decorations and lots of lights. What i was not expecting is everwhere i looked i found aylas beautiful little face. I drove behind a van with bumper stickers and her poster, i saw her huge banner on kmd and i saw her picture posted in so many places. I just wanted to say we havnt been able find ayla yet but it is so clear she is never gonna be missing from our hearts. we are never gonna give up ayla bell i hope every day for a christmas miracle. Source: Ayla Angels!
Ayla’s Angels, Ayla’s Team, and Ayla’s Family will not ever let her be forgotten!
Justin and Derek DiPietro are BOTH useless scrubs….. pft
JUSTICE FOR AYLA!!!
h2o LOL Derek DiPietro? I thought it was Justin & Derek Tudela since Heidi took over as being Justins mommy? The typo aside though ” JUSTICE FOR AYLA “
haha, sorry John, I’m still dont know all the ins and outs of the new law here in Maine….
Does anyone know if the press conference is being carried live and by whom?
IDK Dee but I hope someone will tell us so we can see it.
I am so happy to read that Ayla’s face is everywhere at home in the Waterville area. While visiting down here in Jax , Fla at son’s house I wear my Ayla shirt and sweatshirt every day. No, we won’t let anyone forget this little child! Our prayers go out constantly to Trista and her family. Hopefully my plane lands in Portland, ME in time to get to the Caroling, Candlelight, and Bells vigil for Ayla in Waterville.. Pray for NO FLIGHT DELAYS that day!! If you can’t be there due to distance, sing with us anyways. Remember that St. Francis said that “Anytime you sing you pray Twice!”
Glenda, I believe St. Francis will be pleased with the outpouring of love we will show for Ayla. Weather there in person, or singing from another state like Virginia, our voices will be heard by anyone within distance, and I am sore I am not alone! From the e-mails I have recieved, there will be singing for Ayla from Maine to Florida to Texas, to California, to Ohio, and back. Ayla is going to be heard!!!!!!
Please update on the site what is said at the presser. Right now I’m glued to my computer watching the events in my state, in a town I have relatives living – the school shooting in Newtown CT. My families kids are High School age, so no they weren’t directly affected.
I just saw 27 deceased and a classroom of children unaccounted for? OMG when will it stop. When will our children be safe to be children?
Very very sad day here in Connecticut. All those babies…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247840/Ayla-Reynolds-One-year-later-case-missing-Maine-toddler-open-mother-fears-growing-dimmer.html
I pray the upcoming conference brings some light to Ayla’s disappearance and answers to Trista’s heart.
Is there a link where they’re going to show it live? I would like to watch.
http://www.wmtw.com/news/maine/Live-Police-discuss-anniversary-of-Ayla-Reynolds-disappearance/-/8792012/17779526/-/xophu1z/-/index.html
Someone e-mailed this link to me. I do not know if it will work but you can try.
I’m here and ready
Thank you Addie, let us all know when you are able. I pray that there are some answers and some peace given today!
http://www.wmtw.com/news/maine/Live-Police-discuss-anniversary-of-Ayla-Reynolds-disappearance/-/8792012/17779526/-/xophu1z/-/index.html
I came to see what everyone thought of the presser, why is it so quiet?
I didn’t get to see it hickory. I think everyone’s shook up about the shootings in Conneticut.
I might be way late but I’ve created a you tube Chan and I am uploading the PC its just really really slow
Though this is not the complete interview, it was the tone of the press conference from the pieces I heard on an interrupted internet drop of the live conference. I hope Addie can get us the YouTube link if her upload works. Her is the link where i took this from. Again, as expected there were few new developments from what I gathered.
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/12/14/news/mid-maine/police-vow-commitment-to-solving-ayla-reynolds-disappearance/
“We will continue until we get the answers we need, especially the answer to the question, where is little Ayla?” McCausland said during a press conference.
McCausland said there have been no new recent developments in the largest criminal investigation in state history.
“To investigators, Dec. 17 is a date on a calendar and does not change a thing about the scope of this investigation,” he said. “We continue to follow the leads. There will be more searches.”
Massey said the investigation has been an emotional one for all involved.
“This is a case that has pulled at the heartstrings of all of us,” Massey said. “And that is why we’re so committed to following this investigation through to its end. Even though we approach the one year mark of Ayla’s disappearance, we’re committed today as we were the first day of the investigation.”
A few new tidbits and I may be wrong as it was broken up. Over 1300 tips, all processed. Phsychics were asked to stop calling in tips. Searches as late as late month out of state in Stafford NH (?), many searches in state and many more to come.
Wow. I don’t like the sound of this at all. It appears to me that they have nothing and nobody in their scope and are back at square one. Searching in New Hamshire? Searching for what? An alive Ayla? Or for her remains? I’m glad about their attitude toward those dadgum psychics. Miscreants or deluded creatures who want to involve themselves, usually for some kind of gain, in missing cases, historically to no avail.
I thought that I heard that they’re going to search Massachusetts. That Courtney Roberts used to live in Massachusetts…before she moved to Maine.
LE mentioned having a ‘frank’ talk with the Dips. By ‘frank’ do they mean threatened or warned them?
They also mentioned not wanting anymore tips from Psychics. I don’t blame them…those type of calls are a waste of energy.
I hope that Mr. Dipietro and crew know that if Ayla’s body is found in a different state…it becomes a federal crime.
I was doing some ‘looking around’ over at the TLLOM FB page. Courtney Roberts has only posted once over there. I open up every comment…
I saw a post from Trista on there from earlier on.
It is mostly Derek and his mommy who post over there. Lance, Justin, and Elisha…have never posted.
I would like to find someone who was granted special access to the TLLOM private discussion board.
I know that a certain someone had a mole who was on the TLLOM private discussion board, only if they would “re-appear”
frank imo= “it’s only a matter of time. here is some of the proof we scraped off your floor and walls and dug out of the river. last chance to help yourself by talking.”
And I would agree wholeheartedly CG. The funny thing is it was made perfectly clear back in March that Bourget is not Justins lawyer, so what is he doing speaking for Justin????
im trying to upload it to you tube still…my allotted video time was only 15 mins so ive changed that and now need to wait another 5 hours for it to upload again…
but one of the reporters asked what he meant by frank ….bad or good..and mcclausand said it was a positive conversation.
http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/Communication-improving-between-Aylas-father-and-police.html
Not threatening to Attourney Bourget. I think this attourney needs to open a friggin dictionary. One meeting in 10 months, where MSP is frank with your clients, does not constitue imporvoved communications between MSP and your clients. And if it is why have they not called MSP for a status update like Trista did yesterday. It is coming up on the 1 year mark where your clients were involved in Ayla’s disappearance and you call 1 conversation in 10 months open communications? The book is called WEBSTERS dude, open it!!!
In the article by Ben “attorney says DNA found in missing girl’s home wasn’t necessarily blood”
Could it be all along that there was no blood from the beginning ?
I saw this claim in the article also. My take, and only my take, is that I will believe McCausland from back Feb/Mar timeframe when he said Ayla’s blood was found. IMO, Bourget commited an ethical violation by disclosing what MSP told his clients. If the clients were to put it out that is a different story. LE stated they would not speak of it, so how is they lawyer for Elisha and Phobe allowed to speak on Justins behalf, ethically?
Justin himself said it is a fact Ayla’s blood was found in the house, so no, I would say the police are correct it is blood and the attorney is trying to do cross-examination without a courtroom.
Excellent point and the reasoning is perfectly logical. The only question I have is why if he is not Justins lawyer? Phoebe and Elisha were the two who did not know anything the blood right????
Phoebe and Elisha undoubtedly don’t want Justin to be charged and want him to get off if he is charged. And keeping charges at bay or deflecting them if filed serves their own interests, in that if there’s no primary crime proven, the subsidiary crime charges likely fall away too.
I understand the logic there CG, but I should have been clearer with my question. I was referring to the why in an ethical sense. I understand he needs to protect his clients to the best of his ability, but Justin is not his client and therefore he is ethically bound is he not?
Convergence of interest IMO. Assume they are conspirators in covering up a crime. If bourget can convince j did not commit the crime, his clients could not have covered up the nonexistent crime.
Excellently put CG, I was thinking conflict vs.convergence. I am clear now and Thank you for helping me to understand.
I don’t think they’re looking for an alive Ayla in NH. I think they felt like they had strong enough evidence, to support their theory that Ayla is no longer alive.
Unless…somehow they found evidence that points in the other direction. I am kind of doubting it though.
They also talked about how much wooded area they’re searching and about expanding further out…after that part was covered/cleared.
We need to email John Nale. The tips aren’t coming in like before, if the reward were offered again maybe someone out there has had enough time to reconsider.
Mama what do you think about this,why did the lawyer wait this long to mention this? WATERVILLE — The paternal family of missing toddler Ayla Reynolds has reopened communication with investigators — a step that police are calling positive. Meanwhile, the family’s attorney said the DNA evidence found in the toddler’s home might not be blood. http://www.pressherald.com/news/Communication-improving-between-Aylas-father-and-police.html
Sorry I just saw it was posted above and discussed
Sara I think the important thing to look at in this statement is the way he worded it.
“Meanwhile, the family’s attorney said the DNA evidence found in the toddler’s home might not be blood.”
Why doesn’t it say…Meanwhile, the family’s attorney said the DNA evidence found in the toddler’s home is not blood. Because he knows it is blood. A manipulative lawyer for a manipulative family. He’s playing the same game Phoebe did on the CNN interview IMO.
Well, if it isn’t blood, and it is still Ayla’s, I would say that is more damaging to the DiPietro’s. You would expect to find Ayla’s dna all over the house, she lived there. But to find DNA that was significant and not blood? Too creepy to think about.
Pee pee can leave a person’s dna
How would “pee pee” be significant? Get real.
Excellent point, Mama! I was grousing about that statement and the way he worded it is as tricky and deceitful as can be to rope in as many non-thinkers as may be. Don’t you wish, though, that someone in LE would call him on that? I guess there’s where I go off the rails. They almost never say anything to refrute anything or bolster anything.
“Police spoke in November with Ayla’s father, Justin DiPietro; aunt Elisha DiPietro; and grandmother Phoebe DiPietro, Department of Public Safety spokesman Steve McCausland said during a Friday news conference.”
Umm…what about Courtney?
Yes, what about Courtney?
They must know something about Courtney…this is why they didn’t have a ‘frank’ talking to with her.
Justin, Elisha, and Pheobe are the main suspects. Pheobe isn’t able to keep her story straight about being in the home. Ayla was in Justin’s care or was supposed to be anyway. Elisha has to know what happen to Ayla…she lives in the house.
Courtney has been a bit busy the last three days, that is probably why no one could reach her for comment.
Must’ve been busy doing the same thing she’s been doing for the last twelve months.
Or Hickory, were you refering to the GJ that was meeting over the past three days? Was this the information that you were trying to confirm previously?
Mama, I think the reason why no one went for the reward with information is that very few people know what happened to this child outside the three (four) who have ties to the house during the time in which Ayla disappeared, or those who acted as accessories after the fact in her disappearance. In other words: no rat can desert the sinking DiPietro tramp steamer without drowing itself. So reward money would not cover the expense of exposing someone else when you’re involved, too. Cutting a deal may be a possibility, but I’m sure that right now the DiPietro tub with all aboard is feeling that it is quite smooth sailing.
I hope the LE “frank talk” with the DiPietros and crew didn’t consist of “Sorry, we think Ayla is dead” and nothing else. I’m beginning to think there’s not enough evidence for LE to show that they have cojones. Hope I am off base, entirely.
The police will never have enough “evidence” without the body.
They need a confession.
That is simply not true in some other cases, but this LE seems to not want to pursue anything without a body.
MM- That is a good idea.
Please light a candle for Ayla tonight. Let’s fill all three rooms with light, love and hope for Ayla Bell Reynolds.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=ayla
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=ARAA
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=WIA
The blood evidence is confusing. Remember in the video when Trista had asked Justin about the blood and he told her not to worry about it. Why did he even say that if there was no blood. Why is Heidi saying, 3 drops of blood?
The only other DNA that could be in that house that belongs to Ayla is: Urine, saliva, hair; teeth; and skin cells. This is…if no ‘blood’ was actually found.
I can’t see Justin running out of the police station when they showed him pictures of luminol enhanced urine.
LE has said almost nil in this case, but they seemed quite definite that they found blood in the home.And some of that blood was Ayla’s and it was “troubling”. When LE has said so very little, why would they say that if there was no blood belonging to Ayla found
Although he can exasperate me, McCausland speaking for LE, has stated enough to maintain that the three investigative bodies on this case have concluded that there was no abduction. If there was no abduction, then what was there when blood was found belonging to Ayla? Did she have a previous accident to the time she disappeared and the blood is from that accident? Four drops of blood “circled” sounds as if someone in forensics thought it was important to get the shape of the drops.
Are Justin and Hedi saying the 3 or 4 drops are from her cut on her ankle and the rest is not blood? Why didn’t they say it months ago,now their lawyer comes out and says it might not be blood.Selena said months ago it could be cat pee,I don’t think so.
sad to say or even think this but i think that dna could also be found in your tissues and the inside of your body as well…
As long as LE said there was blood, and some of it was Ayla’s, that is a great deal more “troubling” than finding Ayla’s DNA which could have been all over the house normally and not mean that much.
Hello!
I haven’t posted here in what seems like ages, but I do read the posts and comments almost everyday.
Please, don’t let the DiPietro family attorney shake your confidence in what both law enforcement and Ayla’s maternal family has confirmed for several months–that Ayla’s blood WAS FOUND in Phoebe DiPietro’s home. Their attorney is doing what he has been paid to do–DEFLECT AND MISDIRECT away from the individual(s) who are responsible for little Ayla Bell Reynolds’ disappearance. I personally find it appalling that the family attorney would divulge the alleged conversations between law enforcement and the DiPietros. Of course, I could be wrong…..but I don’t believe so.
Very well said RCO. I do agree and I would also add that even Justin and Heidi also confirmed that Ayla’s blood was found. So the lawyer is using deflection as a defense team ploy. It has been proven in Statements by LE, Justin, Heidi, the maternal family, and the paternal family that Aylas blood was found. Not an opinion, LOGIC!
CG, do you think the hang-up in charging anyone in that house is due to not knowing which of the four actually is guilty of harming Ayla? Or do you think it is due to the lack of a body among the “100 pieces of evidence” the investigators supposedly found?
One other thing–Justin himself admitted at one point that Ayla’s blood was found in his home. I really find it hard to believe that all of a sudden after several months law enforcement determined the substance found wasn’t blood. I mean, precise laboratory testing and analysis was done on the blood found in the home very early on in the investigation.
Let’s look at a few other recent cases that have finally produced indictments after an even longer time passed than in Ayla’s disappearance–Baby Gabriel’s mother, Jhessey Shockley’s mother, Baby Lauren’s mother, (sorry–I can’t remember her name). Another case very close and dear to my heart that hasn’t been solved yet is Kyron’s disappearance here in Oregon. Although the stepmother hasn’t YET been arrested, there has been some forward motion in the criminal investigation just recently. Please, keep in mind that Kyron has now been missing for two and half years, and many believed that Kyron’s disappearance is a cold case. Just as I believe Kyron will receive justice, I am confident that Ayla Bell will too. Justin, where is little Ayla Bell?
Excellent examples RCO. I will not let this deter me anymore. Thank you for rejuvinating my faith that Ayla will have justice!
ok i got the press conference off my phone and uploaded to you tube my you tube name is addief143able i just wacthed some of the video and it stopped then i started it over again and same thing it froze but at a different part….does anyone know how i fix this or what the best way to post it on the net from my phone is…i tried email too long i tred facebookt it still to long idk maybe someone can help me figure it out
i think this is the link http://youtu.be/naBT2qtoXUM
Thank you Addie.
Thank you Addie. When I get a chance I am going to post this to Ayla’s link so we may refer back to it at any time.
I have a big question though. I heard clear as day on this video, “I do not know where Justin DiPietro lives” Stevan McCausland.
Two things actually. Addie can you explain the questioning that prompted the answer above, and does anyone else feel like McCausland is trying to give JD enough freedom to make him think he is in the clear?
That was my thought John.
he was just simply asked by one of the reporters if justin still lives at the violette ave address….pretty simple question, when he was asked and said that i sat there thinking wtf how do you not know where a killer is?….how do you not keep tabs on his every move? then i thought about it and said there is only one reason why you wouldnt want to know where jd is at all times…he charges will got be as serious as derrick ….i def think that jd was involved but now i think McCausland knows that he as bigger fish to fry..
Addie I’m glad you got everything showing the podium and full body shots rather than close ups while they were speaking. It’s interesting to note the way McCausland raises his foot and moves back slightly when certain questions were asked. It kinda reminds me of Justin’s body language when Trista asked him about the blood at the vigil. Of course McCausland may have had a rock in his shoe
I thought the same thing Addie, but then thought it would be a great ploy to let JD think he was in the clear. I doubt that LE is not aware of where JD is living.
And the body language MM is referring to, and hand motions when he said that they were working for Ayla and were not going to stop until they had answers for Ayla, that body language was showing me a strength and commitment to doing exactly what he said!
Always look for the simplest explanation. McCausland is a pr man, not an investigator. He doesn’t keep tabs on anybody himself. Most likely he did not anticipate that question. I would bet anything the detectives know exactly where JD lives.
I think I need to wait 30 minutes before posting. TY CG, for showing me the obvious that my frustration prevented me from seeing.
Was hoping to see an update about the press conference that happened yesterday and surprised it is just poll questions. I would consider what was said as a good topic for an actual article and a big deal whenever the police publicly address the case. Guess i will check back in a few days, maybe it is being discussed in the comments but unfortunately my eyes are not well enough to sift through the 300+ comments. If anyone has a link to some good news articles or coverage could you leave it in a reply to this comment. Thanks ahead, hope everyone is doing well and has a good Holidays to come. I wish Trista the strength to make it through this month, I can’t imagine what a hard time this month must be on her. Trista and her family is in my prayers, Ayla i hope you are found and brought home soon. It has been to long already and i pray by this time next year arrests will have been made and we finally see JUSTICE FOR AYLA
Shayshay, the comment section was where the conversation was at.
i think this is the link http://youtu.be/naBT2qtoXUM
Try this link to hear the press conference. I am sorry your vision is not doing better. I will forward this to you in an email as well.
Are all comments beind moderated now or just mine?????? I can’t think of a reason why it would just be me, I hope there was not more trolling, drama, or being “graced” with it’s presence again. I occasionally would check in on the J4a FB page and was saddened by all the infighting that was going on by some “ladies”, a horrible post by Ed (was surprised and shocked by what i read and wondered if he got hacked as it seemed like completely different person) and a lot of hateful things being said. It was so sad for me to see all that fighting in the name if Ayla I have not returned since. I hope the same thing did not happen here cwusing posts to now go into mod, people are so passionate about this case and feel so strong in there beliefs of what happened they will resort to some nastyness to defend what theu believe is truth snd I think forget that we all want the same thing justice for Ayla, no matter what happened to her she deserves that and I strongly believe the personal attacks by her supporters over the internet help solve nothing. This was about a month ago when I saw all that take place. I hope things have calmed down there. And to those involved in the hunters awareness flyers, bless your heart. They were amazing and a great idea. Thank you so much for contributing your time and money to that project you really are Aylas Angels. (Sorry I am late on acknowledging that, the eyes). Keep up the good work, hopefully she is home soon, she needs to be home with her family and her family needs answers.
The moderation has not changed Shayshay, your addys changed from the last time you commented so it went to moderation as a first time commenter. I have approved you for this new IP and E-mail addy so you should be fine now. We are still trying our best to avoid drama and in-fighting and thankfully we have been able to do that so far. Thank you again for returning and commenting when you are able. Ayla voice continues to be strong and proud.
OT: does Trista view this page? I hope she sees this and know so many people are looking for her angel. Trista you are a good mother and your angel will get the justice she deserves.
She does read digit. She has never bloggedhowever so I thought I would say thank you on her behalf and pass your sentiment along to her. I am sure it will be appreciated!
Also you mentioned a poem yesterday. Can I please ask that you delay until our special post Monday marking the 1 year to the day mark of Ayla’s disappearance? I do not want your sentiment being lost in the comments of the conference and I have been given a special suggestion for the post of next week. Thank you to the suggestor of the next week poll question!
Of course. I leave Monday afternoon for a trip to Northern Maine. So I will try to get online before I leave and post it.
Sorry digit. Why don’t you post it when you can and if you do not mind I will move it to the Monday post. I was hoping to have the new one go up midnight Sunday evening as Monday is a Special day. You can do it either way digit. I am just sure that the monday post will hold much more meaning since it is the 1 year mark to the day. I can call it an anniversary as I have for 30 years now associated a joyous event with an anniversary, and this will not be a joyous day.
Police have emphasized the complexity of this case. Is it because of overshadowing elements like drug and insurance investigations or the difficulty of proving which person is responsible for what happened to Ayla? Hard to say. I think they know who did it but without a body want a case as close to airtight as possible.
You have made up so many scenarios in your statements you don’t know what is true and what you have made up.
Re-written by an administrator to get the point across.
When you have something constructive to bring to the convesation Dana B., I will not edit it. If you simply wish to insult and criticise those who speak for Ayla because you disagree, then please keep it at the other blog. We do not need it here, we need constructive discussion pertaining to Ayla! I will no longer post what your opinion is of the mental faculties of Joe Smith in Arizona nor the logicality of thoughts by Jane Doe in Canada.
I made a constructive statement. With all the un factual scenarios it is impossible to remember what was a fact and what was a could have happened statement I mean no disrespect, but someone states the dna may not have been from blood and everyone just dismisses it and don’t even want to discuss the possibility. This is why everyone that tries to comment here gets so frustrated if they don’t think your scenario is 100% correct you just shut them out and you cannot comment here. Did anyone even think it strange the question if LE still felt Ayla would not be found alive was not asked. I would have thought it would have been the first one. Does anyone even wonder why LE thought the communication with the Diperitios was positive. Maybe LE has asked some questions instead of just stating you are guilty and I know it. I haven’t read where you people have even considered any part of this other than we still say he is guilty. Do you realize how frustrating it is not to even be allowed to be heard, if Justin himself wanted to write here and comment I do not believe he would be allowed. I am not saying he is right in all of this but I can see how you people jump on and shut everyone down that has a different opinion. Why can you listen in a personal email and comment back in a meaningful dialog but you won’t allow it on this site.My very statement I did not call anyone any names or harass in any way I just can’t believe you are the same person I enjoyed talking to in personal emails You don’t have to post this it really doesn’t matter anyway just want you to know what it looks like from my point of view. You don’t have to worry as I won’t reply here again in this lifetime.
“I mean no disrespect, but someone states the dna may not have been from blood and everyone just dismisses it and don’t even want to discuss the possibility.” There are at least 30 comments writen regarding just this one point. By saying we ignor, dismiss, and shutout comments is either insulting or you are not reading before commenting Dana. I assumed you read the other comments before you made your previous comment, I guess I was wrong if you still feel we have dismissed it or not discussed it.
The question you wanted asked so badly has been reported over and over since May 31, and I personally have linked a minimum of 6 articles leading up to the press conference where it is reported that LE believes Ayla deceased. I think they did not ask because they were already repoting thier answer.
We have discussed both the statement of a “frank discussion” that McCausland considered positive. If you have not read where we commented on it then you did not read the comments. We are all questioning what is meant by “frank” and to be honest after not talking with LE for 8 months and then having a meeting is positive by definition. When you don’t answer any questions for 8 months and then you answer 1, that is a step in the right direction, POSITIVE.
Basically Dana, I see now you have not read the comments but instead commented to get a reaction, and you have. Please, if you are going to accuse us of declaring guilt without knowing the facts, I suggest you reread the comments of the past two weeks you did not comment on this site but instead only accused again and again on another site.
I dont get it…if my son disappeared and i thought that he was alive in someones house i might go knocking down every door in the united states looking for him Justin wouldnt even come out of his bathroom to look for Ayla…LE has told us that they believe that she is not alive….and on top of that Trista has already told us that she knows that Ayla with her big blues is looking down on her and baby Ray watching over them both…im sorry but a mothers intuition holds trump…Trista knows and feels it in her that her daughter is in heaven.
John, I apologize for this long rant.
Dana B is a confirmed Justin DiPietro defender. I have a post of hers where she says that even if LE were to declare Justin innocent, none of us terrible meanies would apologize to him for all our cruel remarks. (Whine!)
And she makes other slams against the posters on this site; with that condescending attitude that we are somehow less compassionate than she and the other Peachy groupees because we think Ayla is dead. She and the skirts KNOW that Ayla is alive! Ergo, we are EVILE!
Do her and her defenders of DiPietro know what happened to Ayla? Where she is? Nah, they are even too embarrassed to fall back on their mantra, “Trista has her!” by this time.
Dana B. used to post often on the pink blog and, now, that the “moderator” of that blog has seemingly lost interest along with other of the Justin groupees, Dana B has probably no place to go to post her whining about unfair treatment of her ilk…the DiPietro Defense Mommies…those who care little about Ayla and a lot about her sperm donor.
When there are so few avenues open to discuss this case, she is bound to turn up here. As we know, there is and has always been a perpetual whine about this blog. The pink “ladies” have always wanted to shut it down. They hope to cause confusion about facts and some kind of guilt about our beliefs, here. We lambast Justin. Guilt! We think Ayla is dead. Guilt! We don’t give anyone with a different viewpoint a chance! (Whine.) Guilt!
It’s been a concentrated effort by the skirts all along to insult us enough to make us go away, but Dana B. seems akin to someone wandering alone in the desert. Where’s the gang, Dana B.? Where are the cutesy- face turncoats? You know the ones who pretended to be with us here and stabbed us in the back at Obscure’s? Were you sent to whine for the whole group?
Just my take, but she is irritating to the max. Let her go on and on with her sickening slurs and accusations with that ‘I’m so tread upon and mistreated. Just because I have a different opinion on something, you shut me down, boo-hoo” whine. That’s always their claim, John, that you shut them down. You won’t hear anything but the approved script.
Don’t expect her to have read and digested anything we’ve posted, here. It’s not her job!! She means to whine her way into stirring up some disharmony among the ranks. She’s got tactics! DEFLECTION, folks, plain and simple. She’s not very good at it.
I wouldn’t try to engage her, though, after a couple of tries at explaining things. One cannot engage a stone.
What happened to Ayla, Dana B.?
No need to apologize Penny, I too have seen the insults and bashing of our commenters, the maternal family, and myself by Dana B. as well as the staunchness of his/her belief that Justin is innocent. I can not fault the belief of innocence, as I do not want Dana B to fault us for our belief of guilt.
Though I see those comments, and hate when it is done, I encourage all to comment for Ayla. That is why I continue to moderate those comments from him/her. If comments can remain civil and pertinent then I will continue to allow comments,and I think Dana B knows I will edit or not moderate those comments which will do nothing but create in-fighting. I will do my best to keep that on other sites.
As you have stated, we are here for Ayla, and if our opinions differ so be it, as long as we are here for Ayla. I do not begrudge Dana B. the belief that JD is innocent, but I will point out the discrepencies in his/her comments and refocus the in-fighting away from this blog.
And I am sorry for being so long, but I wanted to make one more point to Dana B., in that Dana B. insists we are only hoping to find Ayla deceased. WRONG!!! Read any post on this site, read every comment concerning the hunters awareness program we supported, and read any interview by any commenter on this site and you will see that though we fear LE is correct concerning the 31 May announcement, the majority of us hold out a slim hope (the 1% group as we are called elsewhere) that we are all wrong and Ayla is going to be brought home, alive and smiling with open arms to hug her mommy and little brother with. So STOP with your rhetoric of our desire to have a deceased Ayla only be found! It is not factual and it is very disrespectful to all of us!
John I am one who still hopes Ayla is found alive but I know it’s “highly unlikely”. If Ayla is deceased, I still want her found and justice served but it’s very unfair for anyone to say we only want a deceased Ayla found.
WHERE IS AYLA???????????????
Dana I wondered why no one asked if MSP thinks Ayla is alive too. The last we’d heard there was no communication with the Dipietros but they still asked McCausland if MSP had communication with them, so why not ask if they still think it’s unlikely Ayla is alive? Even though the question wasn’t asked, I think it was answered when McCausland said there was no change in the course of the investigation. JMO. I also wonder why Courtney wasn’t mentioned. I would be happy to read any comments from Justin if they were respectful. While I think Justin isn’t innocent in everything, I’m not gonna say he’s guilty of everything either. I want Justin to explain the discrepancies in the dates of his CDL classes because I don’t wanna think Ayla’s arm was broken in anger.
“I’m not going to disclose what was discussed, but it was a frank conversation,” he said. “So there has been some renewed communication.”
When asked whether the conversation changed the course of the investigation, McCausland said no.
“We wanted to give them an update, and we were very frank in the information we shared with them,” he said. “I viewed the meeting with the DiPietros as positive.” http://www.pressherald.com/news/Communication-improving-between-Aylas-father-and-police.html
The thing about that M. Mama, is that MSP was very frank in the information they shared. No where does it state weather or not the DiPietros were frank with MSP, no where does it even state that the DiPietros answered questions. It only says that MSP was “frank”. So IMO, after 8 months of no comment and no interviews I would say that MSP talking to the DiPietros is positive, at least by definition. Now I can only wonder if the discussion was beneficial to Ayla’s case and finding where Ayla may be?
I do not get”We viewed the meeting with the DiPietros as positive”. Was McCausland ever a defense lawyer? GAH!
Just remember who said the dna may not be from blood and his role. He is an attorney representing DiPietro family members. Police say blood was found. Justin said blood was found.
I also believe Heidi said there was blood found? Her comments about the circled drops, Justin being shown the pictures but not told an amount, etc. to me is also verifying the presence of Ayla’s blood in the basement.
The last two statements from the attorney were the beginning of the “Ayla is alive, the DiPietros are innocent” campaign. TLLOM’s awareness events in Virginia and Florida are all part of the campaign IMO. I expect to hear the “just four tiny dots” and “Ayla cut her foot on the hearth” again. We’ll probably hear the blood that was Ayla’s was from a small cut from the hearth and the “DNA” that was cleaned up was a piddle accident while Ayla’s diaper was being changed. So Ayla was abducted and could be in Florida or Virginia by now hmmm….wonder why the DiPietros didn’t ask their lawyer to make a plea to the “abductor” to return Ayla when he made his statement to the media?
I too believe it is nothing but a defense ploy designed to create doubt in the public. If there is doubt created in the public, then they know it will create doubt with a jury, but As you have all said, there are too many smart people to fall for that type of deflection.
I was snooping around on FB the other night and was looking at Tristas FB page i am not her friend on there so i couldnt see what she posts but i could see what other ppl post on her wall…and some ppl where talking about how she wrote that she got some good news….that was in November that they wrote that…i wonder if it was after MSP talked with the Dips and they had informed her that they are now speaking with MSP again or not even again maybe that they just did…that to me would be some good news…
and yes mama i was wondering why Courtney wasnt mentioned in being spoken to by MSP…i find that kind of strange…
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and did any one hear when one of the reporters asked about the searches and the evidence found…it seemed to me that the reporter was asking about evidence found in the river on the date that hasnt been confirmed the items had to do with Ayla…it seemed like McClausland was about to slip and say that the items where of relation to the Ayla case but then he changed real quick to say 100 of items collected..did anyone else catch that….i would have to watch it again to hear him but i feel like he caught himself on an almost slip of the tounge saying that the evidenced collected on the river search…he quickly left out the river word…
Addie, the news on FB was related to Lil Ray. It was a shame how so many started throughing out accusations without knowing. I thank you for asking though without jumping to conclussions. This is what I believe Trista had hoped for instead of the accusations.
If you could watch the video again and get a time for your question Addie I will watch for it again when I get a chance. Probably in the morning though before that happens.
John i guess i might be wrong…idk just the way the question was asked and what he said maybe i was reading into it a bit too much…but its at 18:10
The DiPietros are not pleading for the “abductor” to please set Ayla free to come home to them? They are not expressing concern over her well-being? What a surprise! Has any of them directly pleaded for this? Has any of them wondered publicly about Ayla’s care and treatment in captivity? Even today their mouthpiece speaks for them. Okay, right, I know that every time they speak, supposedly, we, and all the other evil dunderheads out here panting to find a deseased Ayla, will rip their statements to shreds. Well, who cares what people say about you when your child is missing? They care…and they are either very odd people or guilty as sin. There are many experential studies to show how innocent people react in this type of situation and none of the DiPietros fit the mold.
I know Justin obliquely said that Ayla could be left at a public place like a hospital. And that he wished immunity could be given to the person who took her so that she’d be freed to come home sooner, but that’s such a half-assed one-time plea and it’s not actually a personal plea to any kidnapper or abductor. It’s sort of a “If you get around to it and it doesn’t interfere with your plans, drop her off!”
Of course, I think they only want us to believe they THINK someone who loves Ayla is hiding her. Could they still expect us to believe they think it is Trista and Jessica, this long into the case? They can’t even muster the wherewithall to ACT like they care about her. They , IMO, are so transparent.
I’d like to know what things TLLOM is doing in Florida or VA. for Ayla. Oh, yeah, VA. rings a bell. Isn’t that Angela Harrry territory?
I wonder if anyone has done an investigation into how many truly LE deemed innocent parents with missing children in the past felt it necessary to hire a lawyer to speak for them when they themselves found it impossible to speak and act for their missing children’s return. or justice.
Peter Hyatt said he hopes Trista will go ahead with her plans to institute a civil case against Justin. He said she should check with the Goldman family in the OJ case to get pointers. Have we heard any more about those plans? I thought she was thinking of going after the local DHHS. I think I must have missed articles which said she was thinking of launching a civil action. against Justin. Hyatt thinks a civil case might be the only way in which we learn anything about what happened to Ayla.
Penny, I think you are 100% correct even in a sarcastic kind of way.
The DiPietros and Tudelas will do everything they can as long as it is kept within thier own little circle. Not only are the D’s & T’s not pleading with “abductors” but all thier efforts to find Ayla are outside the state, never advertised through the public media, and kept inside the circle of friends that support them on the internet. My question is if they believe thier efforts are benefiting Ayla, why not get more individuals, more media, more organizations involved. It is also a deflection much akin to the lawyer.
As for Peters recommendation to begin civil action, I am torn, though. I wonder if there would have to be a declaration of death in order to bring a wrongful death suit and if you bring a suit for lower charges, can they then be brought to civil court later for more serious charges. I just don’t know. I do not believe LE is declaring for sure that Ayla is gone because they know Justin is still paying on the LIP for a reason??? HMMMMM
Please remember to light the way home for Ayla for the holidays!
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=ayla
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=ARAA
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=WIA